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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:47 PM
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Mike Huckabee, Conservative Golem
The Guardian nails this one!

Leading conservative pundits have discovered that the Republican electorate is dominated by Christian fundamentalists, and they are shocked, shocked! Aghast at the rise of the backwoods populist preacher-turned-governor Mike Huckabee, now polling first in Iowa with only two weeks until the caucuses, they’ve suddenly divined the value of secular politics, of knowledge gained by studying something other than the Bible.

“There is a sense in Iowa now that faith has been heightened as a determining factor in how to vote, that such things as executive ability, professional history, temperament, character, political philosophy and professed stands are secondary, tertiary,” an alarmed Peggy Noonan wrote in the Wall Street Journal last Friday. “But they are not, and cannot be. They are central. Things seem to be getting out of kilter, with the emphasis shifting too far.”

National Review’s Rich Lowry concurred. “Nominating a southern Baptist pastor running on his religiosity would be rather overdoing it,” he sniffed. “Social conservatism has to be part of the Republican message, but it can’t be the message in its entirety.” In the Washington Post, Charles Krauthammer’s column was titled An Overdose of Public Piety. “This campaign is knee-deep in religion, and it’s only going to get worse,” he wrote.

On Saturday, former Bush speechwriter David Frum chimed in with a National Post column titled, Don’t take Populism Too Far. “It’s always important to respect the values and principles of the voters,” intoned Frum. “But politicians who want to deliver effective government and positive results have to care about more than values - and have to do more than check their guts. They need to study the problem, master the evidence and face criticism.”

It’s nice that prominent conservatives are finally becoming concerned about America’s lurch into faith-based irrationality. It’s also a bit rich, since the GOP has spent the last three decades assiduously courting the religious right, showering them with contracts, grants and access to the heights of power. Republicans have rained contempt on science and secular expertise, pushing a kind of yahoo postmodernism in which truth is always assumed to be a function of politics, making facts - about, say, global warming, or the failure of abstinence-only education, or evolution - immediately suspect.

More (including links in situ to referenced articles): http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/20/5911/


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:50 PM
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1. Thanks for putting this up for us, depakid. Excellent stuff.
Recommended.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:26 AM
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16. More than welcome. Huckabee's the "real deal"
who turns the tables on them in ways that they couldn't previously have imagined.

Sometimes, I think there really is a sort of collective karma!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:55 AM
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17. Agree. The Pukes sought favor with the fundie nutbags, they
discover now that they picked up the wrong end of the rattlesnake, and the fang end of the critter is whipping around to take a chunk out of their flesh.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 02:46 PM
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18. what they have sown, they now reap. BWAHAHAHA!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:00 PM
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20. Yep. If ya plant poison ivy, ya get poison ivy.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:55 PM
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2. This is the year of the Populist and Republican aristocrats resent
this "man of the People".

Don't underestimate Huckabee, nor over-estimate Republican voters. Huckabee can hurt our candidates in The South.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:04 PM
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3. It's 11:00 p.m. Eastern, and I'm kicking this post in hopes that
more people will take as careful a look at the Guardian's comments on Huckabee as possible.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:04 PM
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4. This makes for good news
The republican party has always consisted of a rich elite, which somehow manages to unify freewheeling libertarians with conservative christians. The libertarians are already in open revolt via Paul, and if they snot nose Huckabee, which they appear to be doing, the fundies will be in open revolt as well.

I take issue with the author putting the rich republican elite (who have always called the shots) over the religious right. Guys like Huckabee have their hearts in the right places, guys like Paul actually have prinicples, the elite has neither.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:07 PM
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5. i love seeing how fractured the rw is right now, George Will had a quite a hit piece
on Huckabee yesterday. Ya'll tear each other apart boys but let me make a beer run first.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:14 PM
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6. Thank Goodness , some influential GOPers are beginning
to awaken to what they have created.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:14 PM
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7. I think a Huckabee presidency would be...
hysterically funny, in a gallows humor sort of way. It would sure usher in the end of the Republican party for generations to come.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:16 PM
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8. it would hilarious if he were the president of another country, not this one.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:48 AM
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12. I think it could serve as the dawn of the American Ayatolahs.
How long they would last would be a good question.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:16 PM
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9. .....
~snip~

“It’s always important to respect the values and principles of the voters,”

~snip~

However; the values and principles of the Constitution must trump those of any particular sector of the community, no matter how numerous, except as it refers to expanding the freedoms and liberties expressed in the Constitution to broader sectors of the community.

My 2 cents.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:22 PM
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10. Yep, the GOP created a monster, and now it's time for the tranquilizer dart
to Huckabilly's backside--time to bring this rampaging religious mutant down.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:39 AM
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11. Wow, this is quite enlightening
I'm always a bit shocked when I am reminded that there are a few Republicans who are also thoughtful people.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:55 AM
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13. know what supporters of Huckabee are called? Hucksters.When
will many americans realise that the Republican party hasn't changed? They are and always have been the party of the rich and powerful. They made populist noises and fooled naby into thinking that they believed in G-d and values and all that when really all they wanted was to enrich themselves and their friends. While they were talking about gays, abortion, G-d, and terrorism (and doing f*** all about any of it), they tightened up bankruptcy laws, sent others sons and daughters to die in a pointless war so their corporations could profit, destroyed our public services, and stripped away our civil rights.

Please now see them for what they are. Listen to their criticisms of Mike Huckabee and realise they are really showing what they think of you, the average American voter.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:56 AM
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14. Here's a kick for a Friday morning.
The OP is correct about this piece in The Guardian.

This is a keeper.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:23 AM
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15. I hope all of you enjoy eternity in a burning lake of fire.
:thumbsup:
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 03:06 PM
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19. I love how the author throws their propaganda back in their face

Rather than wringing their hands about the decline of reason in our civic life, right-wing opinion-mongers have, until now, heartily celebrated the volkish virtues of an archetypal Nascar-loving, megachurch-attending, Darwin-denying Ordinary American. Noonan has been the high priestess of mawkish religio-nationalist kitsch, titling her collection of post-9/11 columns, A Heart, A Cross and a Flag: America Today. In one piece, lamenting the fate of a man she encountered on an airplane, she writes: “I bet he became an intellectual, or a writer, and not a good man like a fireman or a businessman who says ‘Let’s Roll.’”

Last year Lowry ridiculed a spate of books about the growing political power of the religious right (including, I’m flattered to say, my own): “When the theo-panic passes, maybe a few of them will regret their hysteria.” In defending Christmas against its supposed antagonists, Krauthammer has chastised “deracinated members of religious minorities” who “insist that the overwhelming majority of this country stifle its religious impulses in public”.

And Frum has hymned a mystical communion between Bush and ordinary Americans that transcended mere issues. “There’s a bond between Bush and the American people that’s bigger than politics. They might not always agree with what he does - but they trust him,” he wrote in a 2003 column. “It’s a new kind of leadership: a spiritual leadership.”

Now, along comes Huckabee - anti-intellectual, proudly faithful, basing his bond with primary voters on spiritual leadership - and the conservative establishment is revolted. Huckabee is their golem.

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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 12:43 AM
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21. I heard Rush was unloading on Huckabee on Friday
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-faces-a-rush-lim_n_77905.html

The Huckabee campaign is trying to dumb down conservatism in order to get it to conform with his record," Limbaugh said today, during an extended session of Huckabee-bashing.
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