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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:56 PM
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A great post about Edwards from a DU Newcomer
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 03:57 PM by Armstead
I'm reposting something from another DUer, this because it really expresses something important about Edwards. The original poster doesn't yet have the ability to post new threads, but this seemed to me to be worthy of being more widely seen.

(I hope that's okay by the DU Rules.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3877098&mesg_id=3877424

By TwoAmericas


After months of lurking I have decided to sign up today for two reasons. First,to thank bobbolink for courageously speaking out for the poor, the homeless, the suffering, month after month, often alone and in the face of intense hostility. The power of one lone voice to give us hope and to inspire us should not ne underestimated. Thank you bobbolink. You speak for millions who otherwise go unheard. Secondly to say that after hearing John and Elizabeth Edwards speak last night I am supporting the Edwards campaign.

I stand with the people first, before I stand with a candidate. I judge a candidate by the following that he or she generates, what they inspire in people to a large extent. I have been following the Edwards supporters here over the last few weeks and reading every post. I have been watching for the usual arrogance, the put-downs, and the unfair and malicious attacks on the other candidates and their supporters, all of which are all to common during primary season. I am not seeing that from the Edwards supporters. I stand with you. I support you, the people here who are supporting the Edwards candidacy.

I was able to see Edwards speak last night on television with a group of people and was surprised by the reaction the others had to him. The people I was with are deeply discouraged and cynical about politics to the extent that they avoid discussing them. Sadly, this very common today. Yet they hung on every word that Elizabeth and Edwards said, and talked politics enthusiastically for two hours afterward. Being close to politics one gets accustomed to being around people who are interested in politics, and it is easy to forget that most people in the country have long since tuned politics out and are fed up and disgusted with the whole mess. To watch non-political people suddenly have such intense interest was like watching people come back from the dead. I feel as though I have been dragging people to politics for years and years, with little success, and I hadn't experienced being swept along by the enthusiasm of everyday people since the campaign of Robert Kennedy. This is remarkable, and I have to believe that millions of everyday people can be brought back to politics by this campaign.

I don't look to a politician to be perfect, I don't look to get what I want, I don't look to "win" for myself. I want the people to win. Otherwise, why care about politics? If Edwards stands for the people, I will stand with Edwards. If Edwards listens to the people, I will listen to Edwards. If Edwards fights for the people, I will fight for Edwards - with eyes open, no rose-colored glasses on, no hero worship of the man, but in the hope that together we can fight and win a better future for all of the people.

I have been active in Democratic party politics for about 40 years, as well as in the civil rights movement, union organizing and campaign work for RFK, Jesse Jackson, Dennis Kucinich, David Bonier and my own congressman John Conyers and many others.

I have a lot more to say about my observations from last night, but this is getting long for a first post. I had hoped to post in the Edwards group, but I see that this privilege is reserved for donors. Being out of work and staying with friends temporarily, I am a little tight on funds, but as soon as I can scrape a few extra dollars together I will join the Edwards supporters there.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:57 PM
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1. Well, as different as our strategic outlooks are, we seem to agree on some things
:thumbsup:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:00 PM
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2. K&R
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:02 PM
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3. Welcome to DU, TwoAmericas! I have different reasons for supporting
JRE than you do, to some extent. Glad you're here with us.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:08 PM
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4. K&R
I hope Edwards gets a lift from all the attention here!
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:08 PM
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5. Welcome, Two Americas!
Wow, you have an impressive background!

snip from the OP:

"I have been active in Democratic party politics for about 40 years, as well as in the civil rights movement, union organizing and campaign work for RFK, Jesse Jackson, Dennis Kucinich, David Bonier and my own congressman John Conyers and many others."

Proud to have you among us. :thumbsup:

:kick: and Recommended
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:11 PM
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6. Here's another goodie from the new kid on the block...
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:12 PM
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7. Welcome to DU, TwoAmericas.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
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Mark Twain Girl Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:13 PM
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8. "With eyes open, no rose-colored glasses on...
no hero worship of the man, but in the hope that together we can fight and win a better future for all of the people."

Yes, thank you, that's me right there. I'm not looking for perfection, I don't feel the need to agree with the man on every issue, I expect points of disagreement. But I appreciate that Edwards is calling out some real problems without sugar coating them in some fairy tale of America that doesn't exist for a lot of us. I appreciate him saying that we the people need to do some heavy lifting along with him. I think there are some rocky times ahead, economic, social and otherwise. Really, what I hear from Edwards is that he needs us to help him, and it will be a tough fight. He is making me feel that I'm up to it, though, and that there are those who feel the same, and we're standing shoulder to shoulder. I see them on DU and I appreciate 'em. Good post. I'm with you.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:31 PM
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9. kick
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:43 PM
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10. Recommended.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:47 PM
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11. Welcome TwoAmericas! Your reasons are sound,
and your logic is perfect. And thanks Armestead from bring us this wonderful post.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:50 PM
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12. Outstanding! And a Detroiter, too.
Born and raised and worked many years in Detroit. Congrats to this Conyers constituent (go Wings!).

"I hadn't experienced being swept along by the enthusiasm of everyday people since the campaign of Robert Kennedy."

That's the key quote. That's what's happening here, and why Edwards is climbing.




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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 05:12 PM
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13. Very happy to see our newest DUer is a prolific writer, as well ! n/t
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:33 PM
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14. Armstead - Thank You! It is great for you to give TwoAmericas post
the attention it deserves. We should do this more often to increase attention to the best posts on DU.

:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:39 PM
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15. Thank you, Armstead.
I'm really glad I got to read the post by Two Americas!

We need to give that person a gold star!
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:41 PM
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16. I have been with the DEM, since my dad took polls for FDR
I would ride along with my Dad, a man from Fayette/Spalding Counties GA., while he stopped at little country stores and bought a coke, sat down and spoke with people, get up bring me the rest of the coke, remember people it was in the late thirties one coke was a big deal.. he would then go on to another little store and do the same thing again, we would spend all day and usually go home at dark, it was many years after my dad passed away that I realized that I was in on the poll taking for FDR.....People in Georgia worshiped the man FDR..with the exception of the really big farmers, they hated him with a passion, much in the way they hated Clinton, and really still dislike for FDR today,the best way to get a Republican go in to a fit is mention FDR. Something I have never understood.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:58 PM
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17. Welcome to DU & I hope that you garner employment
real soon. I sure hope the John Edwards receives the Dem Nomination. I truly believe that he can
win in the General Election against any Repug.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 06:04 AM
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27. great story
The small farmers and rural people would support FDR today. They did not so much abandon the Democratic party, rather they felt that the party abandoned them.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:20 PM
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18. K&R
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:51 PM
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19. Wow - thank you!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 01:23 AM
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20. Big K & R !!!
:bounce::kick::bounce:
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 02:10 AM
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21. Welcome....
I am just as excited as you are about JE. I truly believe his is a "for the people by the people president" I heard it on one post he is the "Peoples President".
I am so glad you have joined us. :hi:welcome
:patriot:
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 06:13 AM
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28. yes
But I am more excited about what we can do together. That is the theme I hear from Edwards. "We are better than this." Not so much a call to support him, but rather a call for all of us to pull together and fight for what is right, for what is decent and humane, and his word that he will be there with us in that fight. I support what Edwards sees in us, and what he is bringing out in people, more than what we may see in him.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 03:11 AM
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22. Hey, Armstead - thanks for posting this!
You gave it wider exposure and doubled its impact.

And Welcome to DU, TwoAmericas! VERY glad to have you with us. I haven't seen bobbolink posting here for awhile. I hope she's okay. She did indeed increase and enhance the dialogue about poverty.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 03:24 AM
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23. thank you
Thank you all for your kindness and generosity.

We Know What We Must Do
Robert Kennedy
April 5, 1968
Cleveland, Ohio

"Some look for scapegoats, others look for conspiracies, but this much is clear: violence breeds violence, repression brings retaliation, and only a cleansing of our whole society can remove this sickness from our soul.

"For there is another kind of violence, slower but just as deadly destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions; indifference and inaction and slow decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. This is the slow destruction of a child by hunger, and schools without books and homes without heat in the winter.

"This is the breaking of a man's spirit by denying him the chance to stand as a father and as a man among other men. And this too afflicts us all.

"I have not come here to propose a set of specific remedies nor is there a single set. For a broad and adequate outline we know what must be done. When you teach a man to hate and fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his color or his beliefs or the policies he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies, to be met not with cooperation but with conquest; to be subjugated and mastered.

"We learn, at the last, to look at our brothers as aliens, men with whom we share a city, but not a community; men bound to us in common dwelling, but not in common effort. We learn to share only a common fear, only a common desire to retreat from each other, only a common impulse to meet disagreement with force. For all this, there are no final answers.

"Yet we know what we must do. It is to achieve true justice among our fellow citizens. The question is not what programs we should seek to enact. The question is whether we can find in our own midst and in our own hearts that leadership of humane purpose that will recognize the terrible truths of our existence.

"We must admit the vanity of our false distinctions among men and learn to find our own advancement in the search for the advancement of others. We must admit in ourselves that our own children's future cannot be built on the misfortunes of others. We must recognize that this short life can neither be ennobled or enriched by hatred or revenge.

"Our lives on this planet are too short and the work to be done too great to let this spirit flourish any longer in our land. Of course we cannot vanquish it with a program, nor with a resolution.

"But we can perhaps remember, if only for a time, that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short moment of life; that they seek, as do we, nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and in happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment they can.

"Surely, this bond of common faith, this bond of common goal, can begin to teach us something. Surely, we can learn, at least, to look at those around us as fellow men, and surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us and to become in our own hearts brothers and countrymen once again.

Robert Kennedy in Indiana, shortly after the assassination of Martin Luther King

During a speech at the Indiana University Medical Center, one of the students called out: “Where are we going to get the money to pay for all these new programs you’re proposing?” Kennedy replied: “From you. I look around this room and I don’t see many black faces who will become doctors. Part of a civilized society is to let people go to medical school who come from ghettos. I don’t see many people coming here from the slums, or off of Indian reservations. You are the privileged ones here. It’s easy for you to sit back and say it’s the fault of the Federal Government. But it’s our responsibility too. It’s our society too… It’s the poor who carry the major burden of the struggle in Vietnam. You sit here as white medical students, while black people carry the burden of the fighting in Vietnam.”

The students reacted by hissing and booing Kennedy. His advisors warned him that if he was perceived as an extremist he would never win the election. However, Kennedy was no longer thinking like a politician trying to maximize his vote. Instead he was determined to say what he believed. Kennedy told Jack Newfield that he would probably not win the nomination but “somebody has to speak up for the Negroes and Indians and Mexicans and poor whites.” Despite this pessimism, Kennedy won the Indiana primary with 42% of the vote.

Los Angeles, California, June 4th, 1968

"What I think is quite clear is, is that we can work together in the last analysis and what's been going on with the United States over the period of the last three years, the divisions, the violence, the disenchantment with our society, the divisions whether it's between blacks and whites, between the poor and the more affluent, or between age groups or the war in Vietnam, we can start to work together, we are a great country, a selfless country, a compassionate country. And I intend to make that my basis for running over the period of the next few months. So, my thanks all of you and now, it's on to Chicago, and let's win this!"
- Robert Kennedy

"Come on, Mr. Kennedy, you can make it"
- busboy Juan Romero, pressing a pair of rosary beads in the senator's upward palm.

"Is everybody all right?"
- Robert Kennedy

An entire generation of Americans has passed away without seeing the promise of that day fulfilled. Another generation has grown up without even hearing the promise.

"Robert F. Kennedy was a man of passionate conviction, carrying a message of change, and for the forlorn and dispossessed of America, a message of hope."

-Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr.

I believe that there is a chance - just a chance - that we will be able to say something very similar some day about John Edwards.

That chance is more than we have seen in a long time.




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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 05:26 AM
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24. Welcome to DU, TwoAmericas
Glad you`re here with us. Hope something works out for you with your work/living situation. Take care.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 05:35 AM
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25. Definitely, Wecome from me too Two Americas ~~~~


~~~ Wonderful thread ~ We're glad you're here!
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 05:54 AM
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26. Welcome to DU!
and thanks for supporting Edwards and being pro-union to boot.

"I don't look to "win" for myself."

You go right ahead and look to win for yourself. Most politicians always win for themselves when elected. The corporations are for themselves. Nothing wrong with us being for ourselves either. You and Me and millions of others are teetering on the edge of an abyss and another corporate shove and we are gone. This country needs to start taking care of the basics like improving the job market, free healthcare, free college, and a living wage. Edwards is the guy to point us in the right direction. Keep posting!

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 06:31 AM
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29. the edge of the abyss
Edited on Sun Dec-23-07 06:32 AM by Two Americas
Many people are hurting and it is reaching crisis proportions. I see it in the eldercare facilities I have worked in, in the rural farming communities, with the immigrants struggling for basic human rights, in the schools in the poor sections of the cities, in the soup kitchens and shelters, and all over the city of Detroit where people are being crushed under and losing all hope - no work, no health care, losing their homes, food and fuel prices rising. Too often, in modern society "winning" means leaving all of those people behind, or winning at their expense. We need to re-define "winning." That isn't winning. I want the forgotten people to win for a change.

90% of the people in this country are now effectively invisble and forgotten, with only 10% able to live the life portrayed in the TV commercials. Yet that 10% is held up as the standard, we are told that this 10% is who we are and that if we don't measure up then it is our fault.

Human beings are not a commodity on the free market, and they are not merely consumers. They are not a drain or a burden on society, a liability or a cost. The economy exists to support the people, not the other way around. The give-aways to the few at the expense of the many must end. That is the root cause of all of the social problems, and nothing is a higher priority.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 10:12 AM
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32. Well said. And welcome to DU!!!
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 11:53 AM
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35. Never have I been happier...
Never have I been happier welcoming a newbie to DU. I hope to see you posting more often.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 08:08 AM
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30. K and R
Excellent post. Welcome to DU, Two Americas. Thanks for taking the time to share your insight and observations.

And thanks to you, Armstead, for bringing this to our attention. :hi:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 08:27 AM
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31. I see someone donated a star to our new friend
A fine first post from new poster with meaningful contributions to make to the dialogue here. After I read their post I scrolled up on the original you linked to and, sure enough, some kind DUer has already gotten Two Americas a star (I am assuming this due to TA's words on the matter, like it would take them a while to be able to donate on his/her own). Damn but we have some awesome people here!

Thanks for posting this on its own Armstead. :toast:

Julie
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 11:02 AM
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33. To all Edwards supporters. "Discretion is the better part of valor" nt
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 11:10 AM
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34. Excellent
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 02:18 PM
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36. K&R, and a welcome to Two.
:hi:
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