So I've Been Away Two Weeks, Everyone Has Turned On Barack

Discarding sarcasm, attacks, etc., no matter what side you're on, what happened here? The sense I have gotten is that his massive flipping on the core issues, was the final straw for most voters. Is this what happened here at DL overall?

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Just a few assholes who can't resist the usual childish name-calling.

You couldn't have waited until after Christmas to resume nastiness?

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just like tigers we eat our own.

To his credit:Mr. Obama can "talk the talk" with the best of them.:thumbsup:

Big enough to drive a NOT so "Universal" 18 wheeler through.

nuff said.

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The same reason Hillary got so many bogus arguments thrown at her.

Clinton and Edwards both supported the Iraq War before they were against it.

I think your priorities are more than slightly skewed.

candidate to make is hypocritical; voting one way and changing your mind later isn't hypocritical.

Do you not understand that?

Apparently Obama doesn't either.

That's one reason I won't be voting for him.

after not raising as much money as Hillary or Obama, claiming he's "choosing" to take matching funds for "moral reasons" and challenging the other 2 to do the same? That's just one example of him being a phony or a liar...or both.

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Krugman wrote an article that pointed out flaws in Obama's healthcare plan. Instead of a rational response addressing the merits of his plan, Obama's website released some nonsense intended to smear Krugman as dishonest. This was KRUGMAN, people!

Krugman defended himself against the smear, and Obama's people used Krugman's self-defense as evidence that Krugman is biased against Obama -- or else Krugman wouldn't have spoken out against Obama's health-care plans again. Now Obama supporters have been working overtime to discredit Krugman as some mindless, dishonest partisan.

Krugman was our eminence grise. He fearlessly confronted Bush and Rove and the right-wing lie machine from the pages of the New York Times, at a time when our politicians, newscasters, and editorialists were cowering in fear. The right-wingers never managed to discredit him, even though they tried: they had private investigators look into his past and follow him around, hoping to uncover some scandal in his past.

Now Obama's supporters have managed to smear him, and I think the effect will last. People -- LIBERALS! -- are saying things like, "Krugman is an Edwards supporter, he just doesn't like Obama." The folks who say this are sick and dumb. Maybe, just maybe, Krugman supports Edwards and Hillary over Obama because he thinks their policy proposals are better?

So yeah, Obama has turned me off. I might stay home on election day if he's our candidate, or just vote for congressional candidates. It's a huge fucking shame when a candidate runs on an empty promise of "hope" while committing character assassination against one of the strongest progressive voices of our time.

I haven't seen the anti-Obama ads, but I've heard that they're vicious and nasty. I don't like vicious and nasty between Democrats. I haven't heard that they spread lies. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'll retract that.

Also, 527s aren't all the same. MoveOn is a 527. Unions paid for those anti-Obama ads -- hard-working individuals who want their voices to be heard. Painting the unions with the same brush as shadowy right-wing conspiracies isn't ok with me.

Obama's own website spread half-truths and malicious distortions about Paul Krugman with the intent to discredit him. Not to challenge his ideas and his analyses, but to discredit the man himself, so that everything he says is regarded suspiciously. This was vile and vicious and low. I haven't seen a Democrat stoop this low since Robert Gibbs compared Howard Dean to Osama bin Laden.

Gibbs was working for Gephardt and Kerry in 2004. Neither of those men was running a holier-than-thou, look-how-nice-I-am campaign using the language of idealism. It's sickening that Obama, the candidate with the loftiest rhetoric, has done the dirtiest deed of this campaign season.

All it does is point out inconsistency in his CONTINOUS criticism of Obama's health care plan. He clearly praised the plan publically in June and now seems to have a personal vendetta against Obama.

All his fact check website does is show the inconsistencies of Krugman on this issue - the health care plan. So you are off base in saying that Obama is attacking Krugman's credibility on all other issues. But Obama is correct in pointing out the irony in Krugman's Obama attacks on his health care plan.


As far as those hard-working 'unions'. Why don't they promote their candidate rather than take vicious attacks another. And if you don't think unions are interest groups themselves, you are living in another planet.

Provide a link to any of the ads out by the 527's that are "swiftboating" Oabama, or are negative in any way towards him, PLEASE??????????????

What it looks like to me is a childish act by the "one" who isn't getting any help from the union 527's! I am sure that if there were any 527's out helping Obama, neither him, nor any of his camp would be complaining at all!

That term is thrown around a bit too much these days.

are very personal in nature, wouldn't have an impact on the ability to do a job, and put the person's character in doubt--if Obama said Krugman ate roadkill and worshipped Satan, then that would be swiftboating and smearing.

There is no degree of dishonesty or outrage you will not swallow if the truth contradicts your view of things.

Obama supporters are no different from Bush followers. Keep on riding the Self-Deception Highway.

Krugman stated an intelligent opinion about Obama's plan. Obama's website and his followers began a full-scale assault on Krugman, worse than anything I've seen from Karl Rove. And they never responded to the crux of Krugman's analysis. Why should they, when lying about a man's character will accomplish what they need?

So keep on worshipping your guy. He's to the right of Giuliani and Huckabee on many key issues.