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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:50 PM
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Video of Axelrod's remarks
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:52 PM
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1. Axelrod is an idiot
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:53 PM
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2. Can we have the video of Bayh's remarks?
Because, as bad as Axelrod was and it was bad, it was clearly an answer to Bayh promoting his candidate on the back of Bhutto's assassination.

If I want somebody experienced in the sense Bayh said, I will choose Biden, not her.

Sadly, neither Bayh nor Axelrod had the decency to wait a few hours to use a tragedy for electoral purposes. Really sad and disappointing.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:00 PM
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7. Bayh's comment was obviously a figment of your imagination...
because no one is talking about it.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:07 PM
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11. go to TPM to read it. Apparently, they heard it as well, as many other people,
I can understand though that Hillary's supporters did not hear it.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:03 PM
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9. Axelrod is an employee of the campaign
Bayh (as tasteless as his comments were) is just another politician with a big mouth. Politicians aren't always known for staying 'off camera' but employees sure should.

Obama's campaign will take a hit on this one.

BTW, it's one reason Bayh would never be on a Presidential nominee's ticket as VP.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:05 PM
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10. Bayh was campaigning for Hillary in NH when he spoke...
He was speaking FOR HILLARY.

Of course, I understand that Hillary's supporters do not want to hear that, but the lack of decency remains.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:22 PM
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22. Don't know which of you to reply to first
but you get the prize.

Bayh didn't 'speak for Hillary'. He's so busy trying to get on the ticket, he let his mouth overload his other end. I expect HC was unimpressed, since it certainly wasn't the response anyone in their right mind would give. No staffer would have said it.... Bayh just can't seem to help himself. Vislack has the same problem though not in this case particularly. Half the job of staffers is to keep politicians from saying stupid things when they're campaigning.

It happens that surrogates say stupid things.... particularly when (as a politician) they get quoted on TeeVee. They can't pass up an opportunity, can they? Staffers are supposed to have better sense. Alexrod should be in the doghouse -- and he should have known better.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:08 PM
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13. Don't try to pull that bull shit, Hillary has a clear history of using....
people like Bayh to do the dirty work for her campaign.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:26 PM
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27. 'People like Bayh"?
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 11:27 PM by Texas_Kat
As much as I dislike him, Bayh is just another politician. They always have their own agenda and seldom deviate from it. In this case, Bayh wants to be VP. He seems to want to do just about anything to ingratiate himself.

He stepped over the line, and I expect he knows it.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:57 PM
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21. Guess everyone hasn't heard the about Bayh as Hillary's Veep rumor.
It has been going around for a while. I don't think anyone else would have him, but he makes sense on Hillary's ticket.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:24 PM
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24. I disagree.... Bayh doesn't make sense on ANY candidate's ticket for Pres
There aren't enough adjectives for me to describe just how bad an idea it is to let him get a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 01:54 AM
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37. I didn't say I like him as Veep. Just that Hillary does.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:29 AM
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38. And she told you this when?
As far as I can tell, Bayh has been relegated to the 2nd or 3rd tier of VP choices.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:54 AM
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44. My post clearly stated it is rumored.
If I had proof, I wouldn't be telling DU, I'd be off trying to get paid for the scoop.

The rumor started gaining momentum around October, when Bayh started rounding up Indiana Dem endorsements for Clinton. He's a popular Dem in a red state, very moderate, and a former governor. It's gonna be Bayh or Kerrey if Hillary gets the nom.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:40 PM
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29. He's empee of THE campaign? Is that like THE math? ....
but seriously....is he an empee of Obama's campaign?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:56 PM
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3. Thanks. Axelrod is right.
n/t
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:24 PM
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23. what about Obama's votes for the war?
What about Obama's statement for the War?

Axelrod and friends conveniently blame Clinton for everything while giving themselves and the other candidates a free pass.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:18 AM
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46. axelrod made a lot of sense.
and he is right. Hillary did vote to invade Iraq, and that caused us to take troops out of afghanistan, led to the return of Taliban and al qaida there, and along with her vote on Iran, caused the US to fuck over that entire region. It is partly her fault and she bears some responsibility. Now, for those shills who try the rovian bullshit of repeating a lie over and over, trying to make hay out of their own instructions and imagination,

please stop. you are only embarrassing yourselves. and you know who you are.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:57 PM
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4. Axelrod is an ass
I don't take anything he says seriously.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:59 PM
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5. He answered the reporters question honestly
Hillary should be held accountable for her IWR vote.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:59 PM
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6. He is a ball- less tool. Can only say "she". If she was a he, what would he say?
He...the blond one?:eyes:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:01 PM
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8. He answered the reporter's question, your point?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:07 PM
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12. I like the sharpness of the answer.
I'm glad someone pointed this out. It's mild compared to what the pukes would say.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:30 PM
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14. Bayh will be Hillary's running mate.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:38 PM
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17. which would make the most uninspiring Dem combo ever.
...deserving whatever sorry fate they receive in the GE.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:37 AM
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41. yes, if she picks him, omg, lol, that would be political suicide.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:46 PM
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18. OK
:shrug:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:55 PM
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20. Wow, talk about a shitty name combo for a Presidential ticket.
Clinton/Bayh

Yeesh...how close to predicting the outcome is that...

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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:35 PM
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15. Expect the apology and crocodile tears on the Friday
news dump. By New Year's Eve it will be forgotten....maybe/hopefully not.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:25 PM
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26. In your dreams. LOL. nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:37 PM
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16. Yeah. CNN didn't show the reporter that ASKED THE QUESTION!
Thankfully, Obama just confronted Wolf on this and cleared THAT up!
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:34 PM
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28. I thought that interview made
Obama look bad. He was rude by butting in to stop Wolf Blitzer from reading Axlerod's comment about Hillary Clinton. Wolf ended up reading the comment anyway so Obama's desperate attempt to short-circuit it didn't work at all.

Obama tried to spin it for all it was worth but I, and I'm sure many others, was amused at his rambling attempts to make himself look good.

What a laugh.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:34 AM
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49. You obviously missed the reason Obama kept interrupting him before playing the clip...
He wanted to make clear that Axelrod was RESPONDING TO A QUESTION. Wolf was going to, once again, play ONLY the response, not even saying it WAS a response to a question, but implying it was an unprovoked statement. I'm VERY glad Obama kept interrupting him to get the FACTS out first.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:53 PM
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19. Fact: If Hillary hadn't voted for IWR, we wouldn't be stuck in Iraq Occupation
If Hillary supporters can't handle the truth, then too damn bad.

Axelrod was spot on. Thanks for posting the video.


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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:48 PM
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32. Obama just lost votes on that stupid statement by that man.
Right after a horrible event where people died is not the time to go on national TV and say that someone in our country did something that contributed to that horrible event. Politics for Dummies, page 9.11.

That man needs to be fired immediately and replaced with someone with a brain.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:48 AM
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42. you don't like the fact that Hillary contributed to that horrible event, do you?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:35 AM
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39. False. If she hadn't voted it would have passed 76/24, instead of 77/23. If she had voted and...
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 02:40 AM by annie1
George bush not invaded and given iraq the time to response he was supposed to, we wouldn't be stuck in iraq. false, if she had voted and we'd gone in there and left 2 years ago, we wouldn't be stuck in iraq.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:24 PM
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25. Thanks Herman. K&R.
My only criticism of your post is that the video does not include the question.

A little context is always helpful, don't you think?
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:51 PM
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34. fair point
CNN didn't include the question in its coverage.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:44 PM
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30. Total bummer. That man needs to be fired immediately.
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 11:46 PM by indie_ana_500
Obama will take a HUGE hit on having that idiot on his staff.

Any idiot knows that after a terrible incident where people have died...is NOT the time to blame anyone at all. NOT the time to play the blame game. People are all caught up in sympathy and grief and horror and all, and not even all the facts are out yet. Investigations are still at the beginning stages. EVERYONE in politics knows you don't go on camera and say that anyone in our country did anything, or failed to do anything, that contributed to the horrible event.

Why was he making any comments on the situation at all, in the first place?

That man doesn't belong in politics, period. They need to show him the door.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:47 PM
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31. He was asked a direct question by a reporter.
And yes, the Iraq war has contributed to instability in the region.

If you have a problem, then contact the employer of the reporter who asked the question.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:49 PM
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33. I think that politicians should be smart enough not to answer
stupid questions. If that is his excuse, "the reporter made me say it," then he needs to go back to school.

Blame the reporter. (Sigh, and head shake)
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:53 PM
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35. Doesn't matter that he was goaded into making a stupid statement. He should be fired immediately.
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 11:53 PM by indie_ana_500
It's no excuse that he was "tricked" into saying that.

Politics for Dummies, page 9.11. And I quote, "Immediately after a global-news event has occurred, which shocks the conscience of millions of people and has caused the deaths and/or injuries of people, no American politician, or anyone in his employ or otherwise affiliated with any campaign or political office, shall, on national TV, make statements within 7 days of such event, in which the person states or implies blame for said event, and particularly when the blame is directed at one of our countrymen. This shall apply particularly when all facts are not immediately known. This time period shall extend past 7 days, should investigations and all causations not be clearly known by many people within those 7 days. Should any person fail to obey this basic political and human decency provision, said person shall lose the right to speak to a national audience on behalf of any American politician, said person by such failure being deemed to be too stupid to trust in front of a camera."
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:50 AM
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43. yet Bayh was tricked into nothing, he said his piece on Hillary's behalf
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:19 AM
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47. how do you get off saying it was stupid? it is accurate!
only in the land of Hillary do accurate facts hurt.

geez, you people really need to get a dose of reality.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:33 AM
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48. "You people"? I'm an Obama supporter. Wake up, dude. Accuracy isn't...
what politics is all about. Ever hear of the word "diplomacy"? Well, I hope any future President has. Part of diplomacy means that you don't go on national TV in the heat of a moment, right after a assassination, and start spitting out of your mouth. You take a deep breath, you decide how best to handle the situation, you maybe confer with your advisors, then you make a presidential, professional, authoritative statement that makes the citizens feel secure, proud, that you've got it under control, that you know what the import is for us, that you know how to best handle things going forward. Then, later, others can start blaming your opponents, after the dust settles.

Then, when you DO seek to blame...you don't foolishly state on national TV something stupid like one of your opponents is partially to blame. That's idiotic. What he SHOULD have said, if anything at all, is what others have indeed said and didn't get in trouble for...which is that this Al Qaeda situation, if that's who did this although the facts aren't in yet, might be better if we hadn't taken our eyes off the ball and diverted our attention and resources to Iraq instead of to Afghanistan and the surrounding areas. That IMPLIES fault by those who voted for the IW. It is also a true statement.

But to state that any one congressperson is to blame for the assassination is an inflammatory statement, and nothing more.

Why was this staffer giving opinions, anyway? It's not his place. He's not a candidate. Who does he think he is that the American public gives a rat's __s what he thinks, any more than what any other American thinks.

Shoulda kept his trap shut.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:09 AM
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36. He's trying hard to take it back
Ferrer, Edwards, Obama. The man knows how to stank up a campaign, for sure.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:36 AM
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40. egads, what douche.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:11 AM
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45. Sorry folks, Hillary is presenting herself as a foreign policy maven and Axelrod hit her on it
It was a hit on her so-called foreign-policy expertise and her choice to be complicit with Bush's war agenda. It *wasn't* an ad hominem smear attack on her character or what she did when she was in college.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:37 AM
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50. Sounds reasonable
The fact that we have been so focused Iraq is a big reason we have not had the attention or resources to adequately deal with the problems in Pakistan and Afghanistan and the global aspects of terrorism.
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