Day 1903: Still No Apology From Hillary for Voting for The Iraq War Resolution

Since we're into counting the number of days, is there any more important candidate (mis)judgment that should be apologized for than rubber-stamping Chimpy's war plan? Yet Hillary has still not said she's sorry. She should be held accountable.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237

I will never vote for her again.

She has demonstrated that her judgement makes her unfit for not only the Presidency, but for the Senate.

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It must be, as Clinton's nomination has already been announced by the media.

when the poster says "I will never vote for Clinton" that pretty much includes every election out there including general election.

Personally, I'd like to think of it - I will not support Clinton in the primaries.

Perhaps you're referring to someone else.

Scroll down and follow the flow

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Missed that one, please provide a link, thanks!

I thought the :sarcasm: tag would have been self-evident. My bad. :hi:

Fearmongering is a puke attribute -- of course, it's *okay* when Clinton supporters use it. :eyes: :puke:

It was a different world back then when the vote occurred. I remember standing 5 feet away from Joe Biden after a speaking engagement he had in Delaware sometime late September in 2002. He talked informally to a group of us after is speech where he even answered many of the questions we had about the upcoming vote.

He knew he had his doubts but he also knew that there was some concerns about what was happening in Iraq at this time. Biden was troubled about the whole vote and knew that no matter how he voted that there were potential outcomes that would affect him the rest of his life. Oh, and Biden has a kid in the Army Reserves who was just called to tour starting in 2008, so Biden has something at stake.
The vote was never about starting but about giving Bush the authority to go to the UN. Bush was the one that changed the that resolution.

My point? It's damn easy for an Obama supporter to post shrill comments like you just did. It's easy for Obama to say "Hey I wouldn't have voted that way" only because Obama was NOT in the Senate when the vote happened. None of us will ever know how Obama would have voted that day and I say bullshit to anyone, including Barack Obama himself, if any of you say "Oh I wouldn't have supported the war"

Once again - another bullshit slam post on another candidate - perhaps because their own isn't as strong?

I don't care who is sorry. I assume they all goddamned sorry.

and her failure to admit that it was a mistake. At least Edwards had the courage to stand up and admit
he was wrong. I can respect that...his co-sponsorship of the IWR notwithstanding.

It is being let off the hook. Edwards got sorry when he wanted to run again. It's a political apology and even if he means it, so what? I couldn't disagree more with you on this, jeff_dem. Accountability is no primary vote for them, whether they are sorry or not for fucked-up war mongering - no bright shining Democratic nomination. They shouldn't be rewarded based on being sorry for the biggest foreign policy disaster in decades. If a car mechanic totals your car and says he's sorry, do you take your new car back there for service, do you recommend the garage to your unsuspecting friends? If a surgeon is supposed to take out your son's appendix and takes out his heart by mistake, as long as he says he's sorry about it, do you send your daughter into that office with stomach pain? There is no room for excuses and double standards and cosmetic apologies when you're talking about years past of wasted blood and treasure and years future of national bankruptcy. They can be forgiven on a human level, but professionally rewarded for sorry on the job performance and failure to protect the nation and the Constitution? No.

:hi:

Button pushed, buzzer sounded :hi:

What's done is done.

That's the elephant in the room she's determined to ignore.

She's said, for years now, that if they knew then what they know now there wouldn't even have been a vote, and of course she wouldn't have voted for it. DU's HillHaters only pretend they're for another candidate - the truth is they are only here to oppose one.

....like we could truly speculate how Obama would have voted if he were in the senate.

But then, he might've skipped town ala Kyl/Lieberman, or voted Present as he did on many tough issues back in the state assembly in Illinois.

Bah.

You're letting your hatred fog your reasoning.

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BLITZER (8/29/04): When you voted for that resolution, like almost everyone else, you believed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction?

CLINTON: Right, right. Well, indeed I did. And if someone asked me that if we had known then what we know now, there wouldn't have been a vote. You know, no administration would have come to the Congress and asked for a vote that would have authorized any kind of action based on what we now know.

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did she bother to read it?

war. She agreed on a resolution to go to war only if diplomacy didn't work. It is not her fault that the Chimp speaks with forked tongue. He is the problem, not Hillary. If she is our nominee I will vote for her.

Did you agree with her then also?

and this dumb, tired Hillary-hating rhetoric. I'm not going to hold her feet to the fire for not literally saying "I am sorry for my vote". As far as I am concerned, this



more than answers the question.

Her only fault here, along with the other Democrats who voted yes, was that they were too believing of the Bush administration at the time. The thought that there was such a revolting bed of deception behind what the administration presented to Congress was unforeseeable at the time.

given 1) The state of intelligence - including from the Clinton years, that Iraq had WMDs
2) The high priority of the Clinton Administration to get the UN inspectors back into Iraq
3) The stated policy of regime change throughout Bush1-Clinton-BushW

The Clinton administration had top level meetings on getting Saddam out, going so far as having Al Gore run though an invasion scenario with the Joint Chiefs involving 360,000.

On the evidence available to her, Hillary simply doesn't believe her vote was a mistake.

albeit a tad more clandestine than say the Ghoul..

She about as progressive as they come!!

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This just in: BO votes the same as Hillary on Iraq issues.
(But don't let facts get in your way!)

who kissed enough ass after he apoligized was sickening. Obama who loves nothing more then bringing his 2002 speech saying he was against the war, but kinda funny yesterday axelrod from the obama camp was trying to link the iraq vote by hrc to the death of bhutto...does not this silly sombitch realize obama has voted for money for this war and thus he is also blaming obama as well if you can have that six degrees of separation. How stupid for axelrod to say something as stupid..

but hrc owes no one an apology for her vote. Damn! Get over yourselves.

These assholes need to get over themselves.

the more things change, the more they stay the same

Welcome to DU!! ;)

After the fact, politicians adopt stances for political purposes. That's cuz they are politicians. It's what they do. Some think it's better for them to say "sorry," others that they "regret," others that they were "misled," whatever positions them best.

In terms of belief, emotions, and future policy decisions, it DOESN'T MATTER. I know that's hard to read but it's the truth.

She won't apologize for something she was eager to see happen so she could gain some security cred before running. She thought this would be a clean sweep and she'd have the issue to run on. Now she knows it was a mistake, but to admit that now would be political suicide, and doing what's right comes in second to doing what furthers her path to the White House.

She should be held accountable for it, as should the others, whether they've "apologized" or not. I'd just as soon not hear manipulative pseudo apologies predicated on the idea that there is a reward to be gained from it at the end.

STOPHillary.comSource: CNN.com, "Hillary Clinton: No regret on Iraq vote". HILLARY ON IRAQ AND TERRORISM. "In the four years since the inspectors left, ...
www.stophillary.com/lies.htm

But thanks for the link... :eyes: