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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:25 PM
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Obama: "That's the definition of insanity"!
"What I had to insist is that the real gamble in this election is playing the same Washington game with the same players and expecting a different result," Obama said, turning the table on the Clintons. "That's the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Obama-Prize-Fighter.html

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:27 PM
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1. Ok but it isn't and that phrase is getting tired.
Everytime I hear that nonsense I cringe. This has nothing much to do with Obama, I am just tired of hearing that nonsense.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:47 PM
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26. It always reminds me of Susan Powter
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:28 PM
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2. I believe I've been insulted
If I don't support Obama I'm insane??
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:30 PM
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3. "with the same players"? He's hiring Bill Clinton's "players"!
From a post by zulchzulu the other day:
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Here is a list of advisors on his campaign team and description (some are mentioned above):


Former Amb. Jeffrey Bader, President Clinton’s National Security Council Asia specialist and now head of Brookings’s China center, national security adviser

Mark Brzezinski, President Clinton’s National Security Council Southeast Europe specialist and now a partner at law firm McGuireWoods, national security adviser

Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter’s national security adviser and now a Center for Strategic and International Studies counselor and trustee and frequent guest on PBS’s NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, foreign policy adviser

Richard A. Clarke, President Clinton and President George W. Bush’s counterterrorism czar and now head of Good Harbor Consulting and an ABC News contributor, sometimes Obama adviser

Gregory B. Craig, State Department director of policy planning under President Clinton and now a partner at law firm Williams & Connolly, foreign policy adviser

Roger W. Cressey, former National Security Council counterterrorism staffer and now Good Harbor Consulting president and NBC News consultant, has advised Obama but says not exclusive

Ivo H. Daalder, National Security Council director for European affairs during President Clinton’s administration and now a Brookings senior fellow, foreign policy adviser

Richard Danzig, President Clinton’s Navy secretary and now a Center for Strategic and International Analysis fellow, national security adviser

Philip H. Gordon, President Clinton’s National Security Council staffer for Europe and now a Brookings senior fellow, national security adviser

Maj. Gen. J. (Jonathan) Scott Gration, a 32-year Air Force veteran and now CEO of Africa anti-poverty effort Millennium Villages, national security adviser and surrogate

Lawrence J. Korb, assistant secretary of defense from 1981-1985 and now a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, informal foreign policy adviser

W. Anthony Lake, President Clinton’s national security adviser and now a professor at Georgetown’s school of foreign service, foreign policy adviser

James M. Ludes, former defense and foreign policy adviser to Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., and now executive director of the American Security Project, national security adviser

Robert Malley, President Clinton’s Middle East envoy and now International Crisis Group’s Middle East and North Africa program director, national security adviser

Gen. Merrill A. ("Tony") McPeak, former Air Force chief of staff and now a business consultant, national security adviser

Denis McDonough, Center for American Progress senior fellow and former policy adviser to then-Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle, foreign policy coordinator

Samantha Power, Harvard-based human rights scholar and Pulitzer Prize winning writer, foreign policy adviser

Susan E. Rice, President Clinton’s Africa specialist at the State Department and National Security Council and now a Brookings senior fellow, foreign policy adviser

Bruce O. Riedel, former CIA officer and National Security Council staffer for Near East and Asian affairs and now a Brookings senior fellow, national security adviser

Dennis B. Ross, President Clinton’s Middle East negotiator and now a Washington Institute for Near East Policy fellow, Middle East adviser

Sarah Sewall, deputy assistant secretary of defense for peacekeeping and humanitarian assistance during President Clinton’s administration and now director of Harvard’s Carr Center for Human Rights Policy, national security adviser

Daniel B. Shapiro, National Security Council director for legislative affairs during President Clinton’s administration and now a lobbyist with Timmons & Company, Middle East adviser

Mona Sutphen, former aide to President Clinton’s National Security adviser Samuel R. Berger and to United Nations ambassador Bill Richardson and now managing director of business consultancy Stonebridge, national security adviser
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:34 PM
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5. not only that, he's saying a vote for anyone but him is "insanity."
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:35 PM
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6. That's nuts.
And I mean that in the nicest way...
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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:32 PM
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4. obama height of hypocrisy example #852125785
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:50 PM
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7. Obama, now that's the definition of insanity!
Anyone who thinks a candidate who prior to starting his/her campaign had only 2 years of national experience is nuts... Bush came into office with the poorest resume and sorry to say Obama's resume is not much better... his claim to wisdom is that he did not vote for a bill that he was not qualified to vote for... the guy is a wreck waiting to happen and would be a foolish choice for dems... he will be beaten up by the republican party if nominated... he has not been touched yet... why? because they really want him to run... I am tired of hearing how he has the wisdom to lead b/c he opposed the war from the start... so did I.. so maybe I should run! why do so many of you think Obama is great? I used to like the guy... but no more.... he is my least favorite... would go for any of the others before Obama... what an ego...

and I hate to sound like a bigit, but how is a guy named Barak Husein Obama going to win the votes of the Independent voters? yah, sure liberals will vote for him... crap... even this websites spell check doesn't think Obama is spelled correct...
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:54 PM
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8. "I hate to sound like a bigit" hmmmph
Yes you does hate to sound like a bigit.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:42 PM
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21. blinded by idealism
No matter who the Dem's nominee is, I will vote for him or her... even if that person is my last choice.... I will vote for any democrat over a republican and I do not give a rats ass what their name is as far as I am concerned... but I am not so blinded by my idealism to think that you can get 51% of the people to be color blind, gender blind, religion blind, or "name" blind...

get real! if they can attack John Kerry's military record and reduce him below the level of a military (AWOL) poser... what are they going to do with Barak Hussein Obama? When we are battling the "war on terror." Decades ago it was the commi's now it is the muslims... to deny the fact that this country has been brain washed is another definition of insanity!

They have not touched the guy... why? because they are salivating at the thought of running against him....

he isn't qualified!
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:13 PM
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12. So everyone who supported JFK was nuts?
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 04:18 PM by LanternWaste
"Anyone who thinks a candidate who prior to starting his/her campaign had only 2 years of national experience is nuts"


So everyone who supported JFK was nuts?


Edited to remove a misplaced and rude remark...
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:20 PM
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13. JFK had eight years in the senate.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:28 PM
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15. How many years of national office did FDR have prior to the Presidency
How many years of national office did FDR have prior to the Presidency? Washington? Lincoln? Clinton?

It's a weak argument, regardless. National experience is at best only part and parcel of the total package. Other qualities should be factored in, too.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:22 PM
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22. Obama is no FDR
FDR had a lot more experience:

State Senator
Assistant Secretary of the Navy
Governor of New York, 1928–1932

besides a life time of public service coming from the Roosevelt family... have you ever read his life story or even watched the movie... OMG... comparing Obama to FDR!

And Michelle is no Eleanor either! She is a ship wreck every time she comes out of the water.

If Eleanor was first lady in our day, she would be running like Hillary!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 03:58 PM
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9. "Insanity" His diplomatic skills are non-existent. Imagine him on
the world stage:nuke: :scared: Nobama
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:43 PM
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16. It's a recovery tool
The "definition of insanity" is used a lot in 12-step recovery programs. It sometimes is used in the marketplace too, as it is here. The familiarity with its use among many people, I don't think it is taken as "undiplomatic" as you think it may.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:06 PM
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17. No, you can't go around calling people insane. That's what bush
did. insane=evil doers. It is poor form

We need a president who can turn a phrase and be diplomatic.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:51 PM
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27. But...but...Obama isn't "politics as usual"!
He's hopeful! And optimistic! And....uh...change-ful!

And if you don't accept that at face value then you're a big poopie-head.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:11 PM
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10. Therefore, 'practice' must be insane also?
"That's the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."

So practicing dance or practicing the clarinet is insane? Because for all intents and purposes, that's precisely what Practice is-- doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

But, since that doesn't strengthen or validate your OP, I'm sure you'll find a nice, juicy justification to gnaw on.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:10 PM
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18. No. In practicing, you're expecting a similar result.
You play slightly, incrementally better each time. I wouldn't call that "different."
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:12 PM
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11. Bill Clinton said this in 1992
he is quoting Bill Clinton
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:21 PM
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14. SNAP!!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:56 PM
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20. Oh so he wants to BE Bill Clinton. Use all his words and his advisors
Oh yeah baby...that is some big ideas of change. :rofl:

Someone buy that guy a dictionary
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:38 PM
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19. I Thought You Were Talking About
his chances of getting elected.



never mind...
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:58 PM
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23. You gotta know
how the system works before you can change it. As for voting for the same people "over and over and expecting a different result?" I liked the results in the '90s...peace, prosperity, surpluses, lowered crime, people lifted out of poverty. Tell me how that's "insanity."
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:42 PM
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25. well stated
I would be happy to go back to the Clinton years of responsible government! How many years will it take to get rid of the debt that Bush has accumulated? The Clinton years were good for the middle class... the Bush years have only been good for those on the top... don't place Clinton with Bush... these comments are a sign...

We need to advance past voting for the person we would want to have a beer with to a person we would like to run our country!

Would we take the person in the office with two years experience and make him CEO?
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:08 PM
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24. He's right! Put ANOTHER Inept...Inexperience Cheerleader in the WH..
Would be insanity! GAMBLE...WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT WORD LATELY...:wtf:?:mad:
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