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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:20 PM
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Hillary Pakistan Plan: Vain Hope That Musharaff Reforms Himself, Restores Courts, Free Press! Naive?
This interview is very revealing, and puts her opposed to cutting off all aid to Musharaff, as Obama has suggested. Hillary naively still has hope for Musharaff to reform himself, which is impossible as he is a puppet of the military and the ruling class. This interview is a clear reason as to why Hillary is the lesser candidate.



Blitzer: Over the years, since 9/11, the United States has provided the Pakistani military with some $10 billion. Will you as a United States Senator continue to vote for funding of these billions of dollars going to the Pakistani military?

Clinton: No, (but then she does vote for it-DWW)
and I’m very pleased that finally the Congress began to put some conditions on the aid. I do not think that we should be giving the Musharraf government a blank check and that’s exactly what the Bush Administration has done. Even after Musharraf cracked down on the judiciary and the press and the pro-democracy movement in Pakistan, President Bush was saying he was a reliable ally. Well, I don’t think he’s a reliable ally when he undermines democracy and when he has failed to reign in the Al Qaeda Islamist elements in his own country.

So I think we do need to condition aid. I would do it differently. I would say, look, we want to know very specifically what accountability you’re going to offer to us for the military aid that we believe should be going in the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban. The Department of Defense is equally unaccountable with the money that passes through them.

I’d like to see more of our aid shifted toward building civil society. I’ve been calling for this. I have legislation that is bi-partisan, Education for All that is particularly aimed -- I’ve talked to President Musharraf about the necessity for us to raise the literacy rate, to reach out with health care and education that would help the Pakistani people to really concentrate on civil society.


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Blitzer: I interviewed your rival, Barack Obama, for Democratic presidential nomination last night and he had some implied criticism of you saying some of your past decisions do not necessarily warrant your stepping up and becoming the next president of the United States. Listen to this:

Obama: I think it’s important for the American people to look at the judgments they’ve made in the past. The experienced hands in Washington have not made particularly good judgments when it comes to dealing with these problems. That’s part of the reason we are now in this circumstance.

Blitzer: Now I think he was referring to your vote giving the President authority to go to war against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq and your more recent vote to declare the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. In effect, he says that gave a blank check to the President to go to war against Iran. You want to respond to Senator Obama?

Clinton: First, Wolf, I really regret that anybody would try to politicize this tragedy. I personally knew Benazir Bhutto. She was Prime Minister when I visited Pakistan on behalf of our government. I stayed in touch with her over the years. I don’t think politics should be playing a role in how our country responds, both on the personal level to the tragedy of this assassination.



Blitzer: What about the specific criticism of your foreign policy judgment that we heard from Senator Obama, we heard earlier in the day from his chief strategist, David Axelrod. What about that, that implied criticism that some of your decisions on these national security, foreign policy issues raise questions about whether or not you should be president?

Clinton: I just regret that both of them would be politicizing this tragedy and especially at a time when do we need to figure out a way forward. That’s what I’m focused on. I’m focused on extending my sympathy to Benazir Bhutto’s family.
I’m focused on doing everything I can as a Senator, as someone with a platform running for president, to try to be both positive and effective in helping to set a course. We have a year to go with President Bush as our president. A year is a long time. We know the threats that could be posed with a nuclear armed country like Pakistan becoming more and more unstable.

I have found that President Musharraf is someone that needs, in my opinion, to have a very consistent message and then frankly the help that would come with helping him and those who are in leadership positions understanding that this is not just about the United States - obviously, we have a very important national security interest. This is about what happens to Pakistan.

President Musharraf could become as important to the future of Pakistan if he changed course and began to act in a way that would create more confidence to have these free and fair elections, to restore an independent judiciary, to take the shackles off the press, to say that he trusted the Pakistani people. That’s what I’m hoping will happen over the next weeks.


http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4942
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:28 PM
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1. hope. lots and lots of hope
yeah, that'll get things done. :eyes:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:31 PM
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2. Yes, It is the in thing these days
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:32 PM
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3. Nobody is as clueless as you pretend to be. Is it really worth it?
She said aid should be conditional, not cut off, because conditional aid steers matters in a particular direction. Concentrating on civil society... a Pakistan policy rather than a Musharraf policy.

"So I think we do need to condition aid. I would do it differently. I would say, look, we want to know very specifically what accountability you’re going to offer to us for the military aid that we believe should be going in the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban. The Department of Defense is equally unaccountable with the money that passes through them."

"I’d like to see more of our aid shifted toward building civil society. I’ve been calling for this. I have legislation that is bi-partisan, Education for All that is particularly aimed -- I’ve talked to President Musharraf about the necessity for us to raise the literacy rate, to reach out with health care and education that would help the Pakistani people to really concentrate on civil society."

But you know that. You can't be a complete moron, or you wouldn't be able to work the computer.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:34 PM
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4. But she effectively drops her focus-group tested label -- "Islamist elements"
:eyes:
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soundguy Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:41 PM
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5. She sounds Presidential to me.
She is talking intelligently about a situation that will require reality and time to solve. Not some fairy tail of hope and pixie dust. I think she also can see that power vacume is not the answer. No more blank checks. What part of this do you all disagree with? I also like the footage showing her and Bhutto together on what looked like several occasions. She has my vote now more than ever. I know I am a new poster so nobody cares but hey, I do.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:52 PM
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6. Watch - she will cave and let Bush give Musharaff a blank check again
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:53 PM
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7. she was great. Very intelligent and well reasoned response.
Her experience is showing.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:53 PM
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8. thanks for posting
I think it's important that you expose yourself with this nonsense.

Others have already pointed out the disingenuous nature of your characterization of Hillary's plan.

I have to wonder at your characterization of Obama's plan. I find it hard to believe he is as foolish and naive as you are.
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PakistaniDUer Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:54 PM
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9. American politicians have always manipulated or ignored Pakistan
and the media blitz over bhutto is forcing them to address it, but they're all saying about the same thing, and much too late. None of them spoke out when a CIA drone bombed a village a summer ago and buried dozens in ashes. So I don't think they care too much, outside maybe DK.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:55 PM
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10. These posts say more about you then about her
You and the other people posting thread after thread bashing candidates need to grow up.

You make yourself look like a jerk and do nothing to help your candidate.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 04:57 PM
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11. Why doesn't she just admit that the Iraq vote was a mistake like Edwards did?
Hmmmm?
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:07 PM
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12. IF WE DON'T HAVE HOPE THE HOSTILITIES WILL CEASE
WHAT IN THE HELL ELSE IS THERE...THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO BASH HILLARY.....but of course maybe Obama will want to bomb Pakistan he wants to bomb IRAN
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 05:08 PM
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13. that is an amazing distortion of what she actually said
You are twisting and distorting her thoughtful and well learned response.
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