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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:41 AM
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For the Last Time- it ain't about Nader.
It's about who's actually willing to drag their ass down to the polls for Kerry (or Edwards).

Dems need to focus on clearly representing their constituents and getting the vote out, and stop bitching. Nader is irrelevant.
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nborders Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:45 AM
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1. I TOTALLY agree!
I wish Nader would join the fight, however he feels he can make more of an impact outside the beltway.

Too bad, he would have been a great ally

~n
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:53 AM
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2. example
WHY SINGLE WOMEN MUST VOTE
Ruth Rosen, San Francisco Chronicle

Unmarried women are the demographic-swing group that could decide a close election, oust President Bush and alter the political landscape in Congress.
*In Election 2004:

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17862

Forget the angry white men of 1994, the soccer moms of 1998 or the NASCAR dads of 2002. This year, Democrats believe that single women, one- fifth of the nation's population and 42 percent of all registered women voters, are the demographic-swing group that could decide a close election, oust President Bush and alter the political landscape in Congress.

Who are these unmarried women? They are never-married working women, divorced working mothers raising kids alone and widows who are worried about their economic security.

Last December, Celinda Lake and Stan Greenberg, two well-known Democratic pollsters, released the results of a survey that Democrats are taking to heart. "Unmarried women represent millions more voters with very clear concerns about the economy, health care and education," said Lake.

To this, Greenberg added, "If unmarried women voted at the same rate as married women, they would have a decisive impact on this (2004) election and could be the most important agents of change in modern politics."
..more..
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:55 AM
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3. If * can be the symbol for George Bush, then I suggest
:thumbsdown: as the accepted DU symbol for Nader
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:58 AM
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4. and this addresses the original post, how? n/t
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:01 AM
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5. It addresses the original point that Nader in irrelevant in our fight
Thats all it was intended to do. Nader:thumbsdown: is as big a joke as Bush*

Are you surprised that there is hostility to Ralph Nader here?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:31 AM
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6. no, and I'm not surprised at
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 02:32 AM by G_j

posts that add nothing to a discussion and address not a single point made.
I'm not surprised at posts with no substance, no constructive contribution or no information which I can use to improve our situation. Surprised? not really
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:44 AM
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7. I will never forgive Ralph Nader's betrayal of my country in 2000
The contempt his supporters have for me is well earned. I despise him and the ego that he stands for.

There is the Bush Team and there is the Not Bush Team. I'm on the Not Bush Team. Wish Ralph was too.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:23 AM
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8. If you're looking for betrayal
You've got the wrong guy. You should consider the far more substantial number of democrats who voted for Bush: 11%. Blame them, or blame the DNC for failing to convince them, but it's ridiculous to blame Nader when he was a miniscule factor compared to the dems who crossed party lines.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:27 AM
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9. Nader only gets a little of the blame
But that's more than enough. He's the enemy. He made that clear the last time and he continues to be the enemy of anyone who suffers due to this radical rightwing administration.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:38 AM
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10. That's enough
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 08:44 AM by HFishbine
because it's the easy way out. Rather than deal with the complexities and heavy lifting required to gird and expand the traditional democratic constituencey, it's far easier to vilify a single person.

Nader is only as relevent as the Dems make him, and the more they focus on him, the less they will be doing the work they should be doing.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:26 AM
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11. that is why I made the comments I made above
the original post was talking about that heavy lifting. So I posted an article about a huge block of potential voters but people won't discuss this, they insist on ignoring everything but "you know who"
You'd think it was Clinton's penis.


eight months to go...
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