How much do you think Hillary's display of her ignorance re: Pakistan will hurt her in Iowa

calteacherguy

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:28 PM
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Poll question: How much do you think Hillary's display of her ignorance re: Pakistan will hurt her in Iowa

these final two days before the caucus? It's going to be hitting the news hard, looks like all the candidates are mentioning it and the media is really running with it.

Looks bad for her.

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liberalnurse

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:30 PM
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1. Sharpening your Push Poll Skills are ya?

The Obama campaign is loaded with charisma.:wow:

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MethuenProgressive

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:31 PM
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2. I don't think the HillHater's untruthful spin on a quote will hurt her in Iowa.

Iowans are much smarter than HillHaters 'Hope' they are.

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calteacherguy

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:37 PM
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7. I'm not a "hillhater"

but it is clear to me she pretends to know more about world affairs than she actually does know.

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indimuse

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:41 PM
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11. ....

:boring:...

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Dr.Phool

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:32 PM
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3. What did she do now?

This working business sucks. I lose touch.

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medicswife

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:33 PM
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4. She made an incorrect statement on Pakistan

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Clinton_errs_on_Pakistan_.html

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MethuenProgressive

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:35 PM
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6. from your link: "Her error was first noted by a conservative American commentator, Thomas Houlahan."

'nuf sed.

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TeamJordan23

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:39 PM
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8. Biden called her out on her gaffe. The upcoming elections are not for President

They are for parliamentary positions.

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medicswife

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:39 PM
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9. lol

Well Gosh, just because some conservative noticed it first I guess I should just ignore the fact that she was wrong?

Oh my goodness. I'm not trying to start any wars here tonight or anything, but wow, watch out if you level any criticism, eh?

Foreign policy is my #1 issue because my husband is Active Duty Army and deployed to Iraq right now. That is why such a misstep is a big deal to me. :)

Peace! It's all I want! Trust me! Here and in the world at large.

Happy New Year.

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seriousstan

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:19 PM
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19. So she didn't say it? Kill the messenger.

'nuf sed.

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earthlover

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:24 PM
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20. This is a rather huge boner for someone who claims to have the experience and all....

Of course she has been so busy running for president that maybe she didn't have the time to recognize what was going on with the Pakistani elections of Parliament. It isn't as if Pakistan is in the news....

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MethuenProgressive

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:34 PM
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5. "If President Musharraf wishes to stand for election,"

Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 07:36 PM by MethuenProgressive

"If President Musharraf wishes to stand for election, then he should abide by the same rules that every other candidate will have to follow,"
The HillHaters call that an ignorant statement. :shrug:

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hayu_lol

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:39 PM
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10. We already know that they[Hill-Haters]are a generally ignorant group.

Appears to be a mistake...since they examine all words and periods and commas with a microscope...but then with comprehension come the dawn...so to speak.

Not really a mistake at all. Clark gets called for that all the time...many of our folk cannot understand complete sentences and coherent paragraphs.

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earthlover

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:52 PM
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23. What she said was: "He could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election"

Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 08:52 PM by earthlover

"He could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election,"

PRoblem is he will not be on the ballot. The friggin parliament will be on the ballot. It's a Parliamentary election. Get it, yet?

He can't be the only person on the ballot if he is not even running....plus which lots of people's names WILL be on the ballot who ARE running for Parliament.

Rolls eyes....

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LanternWaste

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Thu Jan-03-08 04:16 PM
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55. Well, I'm sure you've...

Well, I'm sure you've never made a mistake. No? Well, I'm sure the candidate you support has never made a mistake. No? Well... oops. I'm sure you apply your standard equitably... (no?)

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Lurking Dem

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Wed Jan-02-08 04:13 PM
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47. Yeah.

Except for the fact that Musharraf isn't running for anything it was a completely reasonable statement. :eyes:

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wolly

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Wed Jan-02-08 04:51 PM
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52. quit job

You should quit your job, obviously. What did she do now?? Oh my god. Face it,she is the definition of clueless. She didn't just do it once, but twice. She just lost her campaign. She's toast. So sad.

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Gato Moteado

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Thu Jan-03-08 03:55 PM
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53. she screwed up....but hardly a showstopper

look at just about everything chimpy said in the run up to his two presidential bids. she's enstein compared to chimpy or any repuke for that matter.

remember these words:
republicans are human garbage

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chascarrillo

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Tue Jan-01-08 07:42 PM
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12. Non-issue. No effect.

This is a complete non-issue - or at least it should be. For all purposes, Pakistan is electing a leader. We know it. They know it.

Did Australians vote for Kevin Rudd over John Howard? No... but everyone knew that they were choosing Rudd as PM.

This is a whole bowl of nothing.

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Jane Austin

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:00 PM
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13. It depends on whether any reporters ask her about it.

If they don't, it won't get on the teevee and it will be like it didn't happen.

It was a careless mistake, but it's the kind of mistake that the MSM usually dogs a candidate with - unless the candidate is GW Bush, of course.

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mtnsnake

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:02 PM
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14. It's already been debunked. She was correct. Sorry, teacher, you're late for school again.

Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 08:02 PM by mtnsnake

No apple for you.

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durrrty libby

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:07 PM
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15. It's funny how the Haters automatically believe the wingnuts

without question. :dunce:

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mtnsnake

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:14 PM
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16. No kidding. Sometimes I think they listen to Rush more than anyone else.

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earthlover

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Tue Jan-01-08 09:00 PM
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26. Funny how the hillary herd automatically believe hillary even when she is wrong

"He could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election,"

No election for him. It is for Parliament. Lots of candidates running, not him.

But that can't be true! That means the Emporess is Naked! Wouldn't want to see that! Yuck!

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durrrty libby

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Tue Jan-01-08 09:09 PM
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29. "Wouldn't want to see that! Yuck!" Ahh but you think about it. Telling indeed

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Cameron27

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Tue Jan-01-08 10:20 PM
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35. Funny how assholes will think up names

like "hillary herd" and use it on a site that promotes Democratic candidates.

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durrrty libby

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Tue Jan-01-08 11:07 PM
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40. Yes indeed those assholes aren't worth spit.

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harun

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Wed Jan-02-08 04:15 PM
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48. I'm a HillHater and I defended her right off, facts are facts (n/t)

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Dhalgren

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:34 PM
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22. It hasn't been "debunked". I don't think this will be an issue. I don't

Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 08:35 PM by Dhalgren

think that it is important enough to make anyone change their minds. But she did refer to Musharraf as being a "candidate on the ballot" twice. She was wrong - it is no big deal, mountain out of a molehill, but no point to make things up one way or the other...

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earthlover

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:54 PM
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24. So you really believe he will be the only one on the ballot when he is not running?

Hey...I got some ocean front property in Arizona you might want to consider buying, if you will buy that!

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sniffa

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Wed Jan-02-08 04:10 PM
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46. your ignorance continues to impress me

keep it up. :thumbsup:

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tammywammy

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:15 PM
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17. No effect

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annie1

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:16 PM
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18. Hillary Clinton is extremely knowledgable. one gaffe or not, she knows a hell of a lot...

more than Obama

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durrrty libby

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Tue Jan-01-08 09:27 PM
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30. The Haters know what you say is true. That's why they are jumping all

over this nonsense

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gateley

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:28 PM
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21. I don't think it will have an effect. I don't think most people realize how

precarious a position Pakistan is in, nor how it could affect the region and us.

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Bitwit1234

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Tue Jan-01-08 08:59 PM
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25. Since Obama doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground he's the ignorant one.

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tammywammy

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Tue Jan-01-08 09:00 PM
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27. What an insightful post

You should really make this it's own thread. Maybe add some CAPS.

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earthlover

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Tue Jan-01-08 09:04 PM
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28. typical for the hillary herd...she says something wrong....they say obama is ill informed

while ignoring the fact that their emporess is not perfect.

Ah, the life of the goddess of peace and her worshippers. sarc

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alteredstate

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Tue Jan-01-08 10:26 PM
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37. You've certainly added a lot to this discussion!

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sniffa

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Wed Jan-02-08 04:09 PM
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44. you should make this an OP

i'll K&R it. :thumbsup:

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Rowdyboy

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Tue Jan-01-08 09:29 PM
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31. No effect

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suston96

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Tue Jan-01-08 09:30 PM
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32. Musharraf's name/party is not on the ballot?

I thought it was. Anyone see a ballot or ballots for that Jan 8 election?

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Clintonista2

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Tue Jan-01-08 09:47 PM
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33. The president of Canada called

He's not supporting Barack.

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suston96

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Tue Jan-01-08 10:16 PM
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34. Musharraf IS on the ballot.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pervez_Musharraf

State of Emergency 2007

On November 3, 2007, Musharraf declared a State of emergency in Pakistan to postpone the ongoing case of his re-election, of which impact is most likely to decline his already low popularity even further. By suspending the constitution and sacking many judges including former Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry and welcomed the returns of fomer Pakistani Prime Minsters Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif on December 15, 2007 Musharraf ended the state of emergency restoring the country's constitution, the move has been welcomed by Pakistan's western allies United States of America and the UK which have providing Pakistan with money to put into its industry and economy. The move came just in time for the January 8 elections featuring Ms Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party and Mr Sharif's PML-N and Mr Musharraf's party. UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the move was a significant step towards the return of full constitutional order and said that January's elections must be free, fair and transparent. However, following the December 27th assassination of Bhutto, this temporary stability has been severely jeopardized.

Get it? Three parties - one of them is Musharraf's party. But hey, ferget it. Facts will only confuse everything, eh?

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TeamJordan23

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Tue Jan-01-08 10:43 PM
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38. Musharraf's party (PML-Q) will be on the ballot; but Musharraf himself will not.

Either way, I am not a Hillary supporter, but I don't think this will hurt her.

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suston96

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Tue Jan-01-08 11:16 PM
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41. Musharraf's party IS Musharraf.

Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 11:18 PM by suston96

If his party wins, HE wins. Uh, when his party wins - and it will - HE wins. Therefore, Musharraf is on the ballot.

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adapa

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Tue Jan-01-08 10:23 PM
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36. what an rude push poll-I get much better pushes on my phone every night.

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TankLV

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Tue Jan-01-08 10:52 PM
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39. What ignorance? She is perhaps the most knowledgable about Pakistan...

Your entire premise is faulty...

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MethuenProgressive

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Wed Jan-02-08 03:40 PM
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42. None. She prefaced it with "If President Musharraf wishes to stand for election,"

and FOX news left that part out.

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GreenTea

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Wed Jan-02-08 04:07 PM
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43. As long as they use republican own electronic voting machines Hillary will breeze

Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 04:09 PM by GreenTea

on through....Hillary is the Republicans candidate of choice....she'll bring every single republican and many moderates out to vote against her , along with many, many democrats who'll just stray home or vote third party....I'm one and I know many others who won't vote for Hillary the moderate....republicans (RNC) know this and want her badly to be the democratic nominee....surely the republicans don't want to face John Edwards....Hillary will be much easier to target in the general election with tons of negatives.

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youthere

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Wed Jan-02-08 04:10 PM
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45. calteacherguy...

I'm going to say the same thing to you, I said to Herman Munster re: his negative Obama threads

nearly everyday when I see a negative Hillary thread, you are the OP. You do not serve your candidate well.

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Auntie Bush

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Wed Jan-02-08 04:19 PM
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51. Hear! Hear!

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Karmadillo

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Wed Jan-02-08 04:15 PM
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49. The President of Canada believes it will be devastating. Devastating!!!!

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Auntie Bush

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Wed Jan-02-08 04:16 PM
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50. Nice try!

But you lose!

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LanternWaste

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Thu Jan-03-08 04:13 PM
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54. your a much better person than your OP illustrates

Your own candidate isn't qualified enough to run on his/her own merits so instead you yell with righteous indignation at how badly the other candidates are.

A little more practice, and your push-poll can get endorsed by the GOP, too.

(I've read enough of your posts to infer that your a much better person than your OP illustrates... c'mon-- in these last days and weeks of the primaries, couldn't we start acting like adults?)

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