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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 01:17 AM
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Obama has just demonstrated that he has learned the wrong lesson from Kerry's 2004 campaign
The people that Obama is really accusing of "divisiveness" are the worker bees of the Democratic Party--that is to say you all. It is a monumentally fucking stupid mistake. He is imitating Kerry in doing this, not providing an alternative to him.

The following excerpts are from Blue Grit: True Democrats take back politics from the politicians, by Laura Flanders

The next Democratic candidate considering running for president would do well to talk to activists like Justin Turner of Cincinnati Citizens to Restore Fairness, fighting to overturn the anti-gay Article XII.

From a skimpy minority of 32 percent who voted in favor of repeal in February 2004, the Restore Fairness campaign won over 53 percent of the vote on November 2. The campaign set a goal of turning out 60,000 supporive votes; the repeal proposition won with over 65,000. The gains came disproportionately from the most conservative parts of town.

"The key was to put a human face on the message and to address it head on," Turner told me on the phone from his home after the proposition passed.

Kerry campaigned in Cincinnati with the losing, instead of the winning, side. He brought onto the stage with him the one group of African American leaders that was NOT part of the Cincinnati for Fairness Coalition.


Seems like most of the African American ministers in fairly conservative Cinncinnati are in favor of including everybody as first class citizens, unlike Donny McClurkin.

Those inconveniently irreverent and striving real people--whom pundits dare not mention by name but allude to with the code name "culture" --those Americans are the Democrats' base, whether the party likes it or not.Just ask any Republican. No amount of reframing or remessaging or plain ol' distancing will change that.

The truth is that Democrats, progressives and fair-minded Republicans will never be anti-gay or antichoice or anti-racial justice enough to quiet their opponents. The only people left with any doubt about where Democrats stand on cultural issues are those whose lives are at stake--the Democrats' base.


A word to the wise from this old baby boomer culture warrior--it don't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Or as MLK Jr put it in a slightly different way (can't remember whom he was quoting) "The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice." If Obama is bothered by the fact that struggles for justice make some people (particularly those who personally profit from injustice) uncomfortable, screw him. He reminds me of pregnant flight attendants who turn up their noses at supposed "hairy-legged 70s bra-burners;" you know, the people who won the rulings preventing airlines from firing women immediately after marriage. Screw them too.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 01:22 AM
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1. I thought he was trashing John Kerry
I can't keep up with you guys.

Barack Obama's church performs gay marriages.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 01:26 AM
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2. His "don't be divisive" message is directed to all Dems who have worked to extend
--the notion of citizenship to everybody--suffragists, civil rights activists and LGBT activists. A good bit of {i]Audacity of Hope is devoted to slamming traditional liberal causes. Let's snark on all those folks who made mud pies just the way we wanted them for getting their hands dirty.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 01:29 AM
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4. That's why he devoted his life to liberal causes, riiiight
I have never seen nuttier campaign rhetoric than what has been launched against Obama.

And the funniest part is that most of it was concocted out of thin air by Hillary's campaign, months ago.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:23 AM
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7. I dislike Clinton's triangulation and corporatism even more.
Right at the moment, though, Obama is rhetorically slamming all the liberal causes he used to work for. It seems to me like he is trying to trim down his own life history to suit people who will never vote for him anyway.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 08:21 AM
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21. Kerry has devoted his life to liberal causes also
He was one of the few Senators up for re-election who voted against DOMA. Why then, given a choice in Cinncinnati did he choose to appear with the minority of anti-gay black pastors instead of the pro-gay majority endorsing fairness?

I ask the same question of Obama. Why?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:15 AM
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23. *crickets*
:crickets:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 01:29 AM
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3. In other words, his church is contributing to the cultural "divisiveness"
--that he is always slamming on the campaign trail. Good for his church--I wish he'd take the lesson to heart.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 01:30 AM
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5. Yes that's it exactly
If that doesn't get you to realize that you've been told a bunch of nutty ignorance, I don't know what will.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:20 AM
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6. Then why in fucking hell is he blaming DEMOCRATS for divisiveness?
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:38 AM
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10. I dunno
Obama is making no sense to me on this issue.

It is is the Republicans who are divisive.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:48 AM
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13. No shit, Sherlock! n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:48 AM
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12. It's a LIE, helloooooo
thunk thunk thunk - anybody home in there that can think for herself????
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 03:00 AM
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17. He isn't.
That's just spin.

You know, like "Al Gore claimed he invented the internet".
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:25 AM
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8. Donny McClurkin is a huge insult to his fellow parishioners in that case
Also putting a white face on the LGBT community with a white gay minister instead of choosing from literally thousands of pro equal rights African American ministers.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:59 AM
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16. Slamming Obama for adding a white gay minister to the concert? WTF?
This place has officially gone nuts.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:38 AM
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18. HIs own fecking CHURCH has a pro gay rights black minister
The message was that there is no overlap between the LGBT community and the black community.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:36 AM
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9. Kerry stood with the antigay black ministers in Cinncinnati
Obama is doing EXACTLY the same thing this time around. Whatthehell is this baby boomer 60s cultural rhetoric supposed to be about, anyway?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:54 AM
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25. You would like that to be true, but it's pure nonsense

HRC Endorses Senator John Kerry for President

6/16/2004

‘From voting against the Defense of Marriage Act to actively opposing "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell," John Kerry is a true leader for our community,’ said HRC President Cheryl Jacques.

WASHINGTON – The Human Rights Campaign today endorsed Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., for President of the United States. The decision was made by HRC’s board of directors based on the candidate’s support for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender equality, demonstrated leadership and his viability to win in November.

"From voting against the Defense of Marriage Act to actively opposing ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,’ John Kerry is a true leader for our community," said HRC President Cheryl Jacques. "Just six months into his first Senate term in 1985, he introduced a gay civil rights bill. His aggressive support for our community continued unabated for the years that followed, demonstrated time and again by perfect HRC ratings on GLBT issues in Congress."

In 1996, Sen. Kerry was one of only 14 senators, and the only up for re-election, to cast a vote against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act. He also testified in front of a Senate committee in 1993 against the policy that prohibits military service by openly gay, lesbian and bisexual Americans known as "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell."

more


Not one of the candidates can hold a candle to Kerry on this or any other progressive issue.


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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:28 PM
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28. That is precisely my fucking POINT!
Kerry's pro gay rights record does not jibe with his choice to appear with anti-gay rather than pro-gay African American ministers in Cinncinnati. The same observation applies to Obama's support of gay rights and his choice of having Donny McJerkoff instead of his own minister front for him on the campaign trail.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:38 AM
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11. Who is he calling divisive?
Can you provide a direct quote?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:49 AM
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14. There are about ten threads already with the quote n/t
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:52 AM
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15. I've seen a bunch of threads
None of them provide a direct quote, they all rely on an unnamed second hand source who attended a rally.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:39 AM
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19. The second source is a named ABC correspondent
If said correspondent is full of shit, I'll apologize.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:42 AM
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20. Laura Flanders has painstakingly dissected the Dem leaders' policy--
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 07:44 AM by eridani
--of shitting all over their various constituencies. Do you agree with her or not? She didn't mention Obama--I just thought of Obama when I read the passage about Kerry in Cinncinnati and thought there was a relationship. Is there, or is there not?


EDIT--Kerry was one of the few senators to vote against DOMA in an election year, so this is not about favorable past records, but about the messages they choose to send while campaigning for president.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:06 AM
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26. May be they know Democrats will not be enough to win and need to show they are able to TALK
to others.

Something is very weird when people refuse to TALK to their opponents and, when they do, are called traitors... You cannot kill everybody who disagree with you, so, may be it is time to talk to them to make them understand what you believe in.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:24 PM
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27. You talk to them about issues you have in common like health care and education
You DON'T do slimy dogwhistle politics that validates their bigotry.
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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 09:18 AM
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22. K&R
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:37 AM
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24. kick
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