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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 03:46 PM
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Clinton Camp Pre-Spinning Possible Bad News in Iowa
By RICK KLEIN

As the presidential candidates engage in furious pre-caucus spin, one of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's most prominent Iowa supporters said Wednesday that she's already accomplished what she needs to in Iowa, and can declare success even if she finishes in third place.

Former governor Tom Vilsack, D-Iowa, told ABC News that Clinton has already accomplished what she came to Iowa to do: Show that she can appeal to a wide swath of Democrats.

"She has done what she needed to do here," Vilsack said shortly before a Clinton campaign event in Indianola. "When she started the process she was way behind -- it's now by all standards a competitive race."

Asked if the order of finish matters, Vilsack deflected the question.

"She absolutely had to be competitive and she's accomplished that," he said. "Obviously everybody's interested in winning, and I think we're going to do well. It's tight. There's no question about that."

Vilsack's comments stand in marked contrast to optimistic predictions he has made in the past, including in May, when he endorsed Clinton's candidacy.

In May, Vilsack was quoted in the Washington Post, saying, "There's no question she's playing in Iowa and playing to win,' said former Iowa governor Tom Vilsack, who dropped out of the presidential race earlier this year and endorsed Clinton."


Much more at link-
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=4076176&page=1
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 03:47 PM
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1. They've been saying this all along. This isn't something new.
Iowa is merely a beauty contest regardless of whomever wins.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:15 PM
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8. Not what Vilsack was saying before. nm
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 03:49 PM
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2. The only people plugging the "inevitability" meme in Iowa were supporters of her opponents.
No one in the Hillary camp ever believed or said that Iowa would be a cakewalk.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:04 PM
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5. um...ok. gee, I never heard anyone put forth the "inevitability" meme
I musta been dreaming that.

whodathunk?


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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:24 PM
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10. Well, let's see some proof.
Show me where someone in the Hillary camp has ever claimed that winning Iowa was inevitable.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:26 PM
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12. is this what your debate has devolved to?
LOL
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:28 PM
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13. You made an assertion. Back it up.
Or are baseless assertions what "your debate has devolved to"?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:31 PM
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15. ROTFL!
:)
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 03:55 PM
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3. Spin away - it's all about delegates. Everything else is fluff......
What delegates she loses in Iowa she can make up somewhere else.

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/state-polls.html
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 03:55 PM
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4. that's called "lowering expectations"
i wonder what their internals look like?
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:13 PM
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6. She was given a 70% chance of winning Iowa on Intrade.com in November
Now it is 30%.

If she doesn't come in 1st, that will be a pretty big deal considering the "inevitability" that so many where touting a few short months ago.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:15 PM
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7. She's still soaring for the nominee. Super Tuesday is what most people are betting on.
Iowa is nothing more than a beauty contest.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:28 PM
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14. Not really
it's a good test of a campaigns staff and the candidates appeal to the voters.

But I agree that 2/5 will be the real battle.

But just watch. After Thursday when the DU manages to get back on line after all the shit flying, supporters will be pointing fingers all over the place.

It will be like watching a bunch of kids in a sandbox.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:03 PM
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16. And 9iu11iani is still leading for the GOP nomination
Shows how bad intrade can be at predicting things, huh? I have made a lot of money off of suckers there.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:12 PM
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19. The Ghoul is banking on Florida and other states to come through for him.
Iowa is a joke in regards to delegates.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:17 PM
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20. Do you agree with most intraders? That 9iu11iani is the most likely to be nominated? nt
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:16 PM
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9. Gee another Hillary bash and the spewers SAY OBAMA is being bashed
who believes them, except the other Obama supporters.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 04:25 PM
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11. "whine and moan, whine and moan..."
you might have to be a monty python fan to get it.

:)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:10 PM
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17. All I know is..."Nobody
expects the Spanish Inquisiton".
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 05:10 PM
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18. Candidate Bashing
The reason HRC and Obama get bashed is because they are on top right now. They are in direct competition with other peoples favorite candidate. If Dodd and Richardson were in the top two then everyone would spew hatred for them instead.
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