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LVZ Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 09:53 PM
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Chris Matthews predicts Obama/Romney Iowa wins
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 10:21 PM by LVZ
Matthews tends to shift his predictions a lot but maybe it reflects how the various state electorates shift in this atypical election season. On the other hand, Matthews' well-known dislike of the Clintons might be at play.

His prediction of Romney over Huckabee in Iowa is easy to understand. Romney's vastly larger and well financed organization can spend the money necessary to ensure Romney voters get to the Iowa caucuses.

The predicted Obama win seems more based on Chris's political gut feeling. We've all seen Hillary and Edwards around for the past few years. In contrast, Obama is definitely the "fresh face" for non-traditional Democrats, someone who can best appeal to an expanded voter base of independents and to those looking for something different. The trick is to actually get the new Obama crowd to show up at caucus time, not really a safe bet.

Overall, I think that Joe Biden would be the best "qualified" President. Unlike certain other northeastern intellectual candidates, he has a more feisty yet likeable temperament than prior personality-deficient candidates like John Kerry or Michael Dukakis. However, he would seem to be a real long shot to win the nomination.

Months ago I thought that New Mexico's Bill Richardson had the best experience résumé of the various Democratic candidates. As a western swing-state Governor, he appeared at the time to be most "electable". Since then, however, I have not been impressed by Richardson's debate performances and his rather obvious pandering to the activist left. Richardson's recent very undiplomatic and unrealistic call for the immediate resignation of Pakistan's military dictator Musharraf, without consideration for consequences, is just the sort of knee-jerk "cowboy" foreign policy rhetoric that we complain about with the neoCons.

The top three Dems each have significant strengths and vulnerabilities.

IMO, Hillary Clinton represents the battle-tested, organizationally strong, politically-connected ready-to-govern candidate. That may also be her main weakness to voters: along with Bill Clinton, too much "old school" politics, too ready to manipulate to get her way, and a bit too machiavellian. Like it or not, fair or not, Hillary's perceived television personality is also a big negative factor in terms of "electability".

Barak Obama represents a break with the past - very appealing, especially for younger folks. Unfortunately, the under 30 group rarely shows up in big numbers when it counts - at election time. Lack of direct experience, to some degree, is a fair criticism. However, this can be greatly offset by good judgement selecting good people as advisors and implementers - just ask Warren Buffett. Obama's "can't we all just get along" appeal, however, is not at all realistic since the other side has no intention to "get along".

John Edwards represents more traditional Democratic Party values, a strong advocate against corporate greed, corruption and exploitation of the working class. As a very successful trial lawyer, Edwards should be especially effective putting forth his visions to the nation and attending to the practical craft of making law to implement that vision. The question for me is whether he is tough enough to counter the inevitable smear campaign that the GOP will launch against any Democratic nominee.

To simplify:

Hillary Clinton: readiness, connections
Barak Obama: symbolic change agent
John Edwards: issues advocacy

I think all of these facets are important and I have been going back and forth about which is more important. Surprisingly, I have now shifted to favoring Obama. This is not because he is better qualified (he is not) and not because he is better on the issues (IMO, he tends to be fuzzy on issues). I now favor Obama because that is what would seem to be best for the nation at a time when the world either hates or distrusts us and for good reasons. There are times when symbolism and a spirit of optimism can be overall more effective in achieving one's long term goals than all the best plans and intentions.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 09:56 PM
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1. Very well-written summary...
Matthews obviously doesn't like Clinton or Huckabee...you can figure that out by just watching his show lol.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 09:57 PM
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3. He doesn't like either Huck or Romney--McCain and Rudy are his Republican man-loves.
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LVZ Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:06 PM
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8. That would be my guess, too
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 09:57 PM
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2. The best part of that show was when he asked Wolfson how Hillary was going to be different than Bill
as in "why does Hillary represent change?" stopped him dead in his tracks.

No answer. The people running that campaign are confused.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 09:58 PM
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4. I thought he described the changes she'd made and advocated over 35 years.
I was listening, not watching. Was that the same interview?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:03 PM
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5. Yes, but then there was the simple question of how will Hillary be different than Bill
and Wolfson was a deer caught in the headlights. Almost as if, "If I say we'll do this or that differently, Bill will come down on me like a ton of bricks." He never answered.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:03 PM
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7. It will work this way -- Clinton 2008; Obama 2016.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:03 PM
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6. Okay. I have to say it.
"Obamaromney" sounds like a dance craze.
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LVZ Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:19 AM
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17. Obamaromney in the Netherlands


Democraten en Republikeinen vechten eerst nog onderling uit wie de nominatie krijgt voor de Amerikaanse presidentsverkiezingen. Het wordt nu echter al wel duidelijk welke boodschap bij welke partij past volgend jaar. Democraat Obama en Republikein Romney zenden twee totaal verschillende boodschappen uit in hun ´zendtijd voor politieke partijen.

Kenmerkend is het verschil in toon met de Republikeinse kandidaat Mitt Romney, die ook een nieuwe commercial heeft. Daar waar Obama de Democraat hoop en vertrouwen in een ander Amerika uitstraalt, geeft Romney de Republikein vooral een boodschap van angst en achterdocht. ´Een nieuw, andere Amerikaanse politiek´ versus ´sluit de grenzen voor immigranten.´ Het is een veelzeggend voorproefje voor de Amerikaanse presidentsverkiezingen in 2008.


http://www.geencommentaar.nl/index.php/2007/08/01/p10486#more10486

Nope, nothing about dancing. :)



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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:11 PM
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9. I am shocked..SHOCKED
I mean really now..what gave it away..
the fact that he spent a week asking if Hillary "was going to smother Obama in his crib"?
or that he goes on rants on how phony she is..or the color of her pantsuit..or her cackle?
I mean..I really AM suprised here..
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:12 PM
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10. Matthews hates the Clintons with passion
His bias doesn't allow him to make a level-headed prediction.
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LVZ Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:08 AM
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23. His prediction may be right but he clearly is biased, I agree
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:14 PM
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11. Who cares what that bigmouth thinks?
He must be bitter because his man-crush Rudy is falling in the polls.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:46 PM
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12. chris is still pissed bill c. did not make him press secretary
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:47 PM
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13. Obama Will Not Win Iowa. Clinton Will Win NH. Matthews Has Every Prediction Wrong For The Last
Five years.

Tweety bird is a joke, and doesn't know what the hell is going on when it comes to politics.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:49 PM
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14. Matthews is an idiot. nt.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:57 PM
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15. I think he might just be right, however, these wins will not necessarily
mean these two will be both parties candidates.
Obama HAS to win in Iowa to just have a chance.
Romney will not go any further than a win in Iowa.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:14 AM
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16. press secretary?
I'm a big Chris fan and a big Hillary fan and always end up hurt when he bashes her. He was supossed to be Clinton's press secretary? Anything more to this story? What are the details? I have been dying to know why he hates them???
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:24 AM
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18. ...But has Chris smelled Obama's aftershave?
Matthews always makes his prognosis' based on weird data....like on how much he liked Fred Thompson's aftershave.

No kidding.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:36 AM
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20. Tha's just creepy
Matthews is very weird.
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:25 AM
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19. Quelle surprise!
Not!
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:26 AM
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21. Now that would be a shocker intriguing ticket.
Except that you meant separately, not together LOL
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:08 AM
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22. He was gushing about Hillary's last Iowa ad being sexy last night.
I missed his predictions. Not surprising at all.
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