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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:09 PM
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Does experience count?
Attention Bill Clinton: If that's what this election is about, it's already over. No matter how much Hillary Clinton, McCain or Rudy Giuliani brag about being tested and vetted, it's not experience that will be decisive in determining the next president.

For many, McCain's long record of experience may be a liability even greater than his party-bucking moderation on immigration and his bear hug of President George W Bush on Iraq. What his resume mainly does is remind a youth-obsessed culture of his age. When Gallup asked voters in August to rate traits as desirable or not in the next president, the "undesirable" percentages for being a member of a racial or ethnic minority group (13), a woman (14), a Mormon (22) or having "strained relationships" with one's children (45) all paled next to being age 70 or older (52). It's not morning in America for Reaganesque elders in the political arena anymore.

For Hillary Clinton, the failure of "experience" as a selling point was becoming apparent even as her husband continued to push it on Charlie Rose. A recent ABC News-Washington Post poll in Iowa found that she clobbers Obama on the question of who has the most experience — 49 per cent to eight per cent. But to little end. That same survey had Obama ahead by four points overall because, as this year's pervasive polling match-up has it, the electorate values change over experience.

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But for Hillary Clinton, the problem isn't just that the Bush years have tarnished the notion that experience is a positive indicator of future performance. She has further devalued that sales pitch with her own inflated claims of what her experience has been.

Ted Sorensen, the JFK speechwriter now in the Obama camp, saw the backlash coming in a recent conversation I had with him after Hillary Clinton had mocked Obama for counting his elementary-school years in Indonesia as an asset.

"Hillary should be careful about scoffing at other people's experience," Sorensen said. "It's not as if the process of osmosis gives her presidential qualities by physical proximity."

Whatever Clinton's experience as first lady or senator, what matters most in any case is not its sheer volume, that 35 years she keeps citing. It's what she did or did not learn along the way that counts. That's why one of the most revealing debate passages so far came in an exchange that earned much laughter but scant scrutiny this month in Des Moines.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/opinion/2008/January/opinion_January12.xml§ion=opinion&col=

yep, the experienced candidate.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:14 PM
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1. It Depends on Whether the Experience Is Relevant
and whether anything was learned from it.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:16 PM
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2. Clinton has a far better resume than Obama or Edwards...
and a progressive voting record in the Senate. Her experience is unique and unmatched in this election.

She is the best person for the job.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:19 PM
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3. and Joe Biden has a better resume than Clinton, Edwards, or Obama...
or Kucinich, and arguably better than Dodd or Richardson.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:20 PM
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4. Joe Biden has too many skeletons for me
I cannot get over Anita Hill
He talks progressive, but votes every time for the republicans or status quo.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:23 PM
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7. And Hillary doesn't ???
:rofl:

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:27 PM
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8. shhhh
;)
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:37 PM
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14. My thoughts exactly.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:21 PM
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5. Clinton-Biden sounds great.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:21 PM
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6. Depends on what the meaning of "experience" is.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:31 PM
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10. that is the problem isn`t it......
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:31 PM
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11. yes. Living in Uganda as a child is how some define experience
Madeline Albright had a different definition: Ambassador for the US visiting over 80 heads of state, speaking to China about human rights and creating one of the top 100 US speeches (ever), involved in day-to-day goings on at the White House, adviser to the President of the United STates, State Senator, advocate for women and children and families for decades.

That is the definition of experience.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:33 PM
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12. you left out risking her life while doing this
she's a brave, strong, powerful, woman. :patriot:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:49 PM
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18. adviser to the President of the United STates,?

involved in day-to-day goings on at the White House?

is there any documents confirming that she was an advisor?

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:13 PM
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20. Experience of being way over qualified
....or applicable of being alive.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:30 PM
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9. judgment is more important than experience
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 10:32 PM by madrchsod
dam cut and paste!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:35 PM
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13. If experience is signing on to fallacious GOP war schemes -
that's the kind of experience America needs like a hole in the head.

All else pales in comparison to good, sound judgment. Gobama.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:41 PM
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15. And continuing to fund those war schemes...
doh
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:46 PM
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16. what war schemes?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:48 PM
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17. Guess you missed this. D'oh.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:51 PM
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19. oh i see.... thanks
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:36 PM
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21. You should talk to this DUer about that.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:52 AM
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22. I did. I disagree with her
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:01 AM
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23. Don't you support Clinton? nt
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