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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:44 AM
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Obama himself, just yesterday, on reaching out to Independents and Republicans...
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:50 AM
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1. More DLC Triangulation?
How's that worked out so far?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:18 AM
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5. Do you bother reading the posts before replying?
Or do you just copy and paste from a pre-written list of replies?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:03 AM
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2. Did anyone see that GOP Lady who articulately got up
and pledged to support Obama.. Curious, did you notice
a look alike or twin in Luntz Focus group last night on Fox.?

Only the one on Luntz just as articulately proclaimed her
support of Hucabee.

Found it interesting that two women would have the same looks,
distingusishing hairstyle. Maybe they are twins........
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:07 AM
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3. Many on DU have criticized Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid for
being so accommodating with Bush and the right-wingers. If rank and file Democrats buy into Obama's "reaching out" today and in the following primaries, then it's time to cut the Speaker and Majority Leader some slack and stop hoping the party will stand up against the shredding of the Constitution and the rape of the Republic.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:23 AM
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7. I get what he's saying.
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 09:32 AM by Bleachers7
He's not saying that he/we should reach out to republicans in DC. He's saying that he's reaching out to republicans in America to join him. He says that with them, we can accomplish anything/have nothing to fear. It's a powerful message.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:27 AM
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9. Yeah, like our presidential candidates haven't always run to the
middle in the general elections.

Obama has some strong points. This isn't one of them.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:42 AM
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10. If you continue to be polarizing, nothing gets done.
If you want change, then you need to get the other side to see your position.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:50 AM
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13. in an era where a moderate is called a "flaming, far-left liberal"
what Dem will not be polarizing? The media will make it so ...
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:55 AM
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14. Such positioning plays into the public's perceptions that the Democrats
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 10:00 AM by Benhurst
don't stand for anything. And too often we don't, or, rather, won't stand up for what we believe.

We are facing an implacable opposition that has shredded the Constitution and abrogated most of the Bill of Rights with the complicity of "our" members of congress. The Constitutionally absurd "Unitary Executive" reigns supreme and has the support of the right-wingers on the Supreme Court.

Just what sort of dialog do you imagine Obama having with the CEOs of our health care insurers? They have exactly what they want and have been making out like bandits for years. Hillary tried to compromise with them, and she got no further than Obama will if he goes down the accommodation trail.

The corporations are in the saddle-- they are not going to dismount for a little tea and sympathy, no matter how charismatic the host.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:15 AM
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4. Is Obama Really a Progressive Democrat
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 09:17 AM by indimuse
Is Obama Really a Progressive Democrat?
I really wonder if Sen. Barack Obama is the progressive Democrat that he claims to be and if Sen. Obama is so ambitiously anxious to be President, that he's too willing to compromise our party's progressive values.

Is Obama a moderate Republican wrapped in Democratic trappings??

November 30, 2007 when respected progressive Princeton economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman wrote:


"I recently castigated Mr. Obama for adopting right-wing talking points about a Social Security 'crisis.' Now he’s echoing right-wing talking points on health care...

What seems to have happened is that Mr. Obama’s caution, his reluctance to stake out a clearly partisan position, led him to propose a relatively weak, incomplete health care plan...

Now, in the effort to defend his plan’s weakness, he’s attacking his Democratic opponents from the right — and in so doing giving aid and comfort to the enemies of reform. "
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:22 AM
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6. He is Not A Progressive, His Record Is More Towards The Right Of Hillary, He Voted To Fund The War
Obama fangurls just gloss over these facts.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:24 AM
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8. lol
Obama voted to fund the war. Hillary voted to start two of them. Hillary's a DINO. I'm sure it's tough for you to live with the guilt of supporting someone like that.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:49 AM
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12. *snicker*
thanks for illustrating mindless. you provide not one shred of evidence for a spurious claim. And you call others "fangurls". I'm actually really, really good at making up snarky candidate supporter names, but that's one level I won't sink to, pumpkin.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:24 PM
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16. I wonder if his fans know about his wife still receiving$$ .Wal-Mart..Business link: Michelle Obama
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/13/wobama13.xml
Obama called hypocrite for wife's Wal-Mart link
By Philip Sherwell in New York, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:37pm BST 12/05/2007




As a fluent public speaker, independent-minded wife, devoted mother and professional woman, Michelle Obama has been hailed as an invaluable asset to her husband

Barack's mission to capture the Democratic 2008 presidential nomination.

Yet, while her style and performance are winning plaudits on the campaign trail, a little-reported business interest of Mrs Obama's has opened her husband up to one

of the criticisms that politicians fear most - the taint of hypocrisy.


Business link: Michelle Obama

She is taking a break from her main job, as a well-remunerated Chicago hospital executive, to campaign for her husband. But she has just been re-elected to the board

of an Illinois food-processing company, a position she took up two years ago to gain experience of the private sector.

And the biggest customer for the pickles and peppers produced by Treehouse Foods is the retail giant Wal-Mart, the world's largest corporation and the bête noire of

American liberals, including Sen Obama, for its employment practices, most notably its refusal to recognise trade unions.

As the Illinois senator prepared to join the presidential fray late last year, he threw his weight behind the union-backed campaign against Wal-Mart. He declared that

there was a "moral responsibility to stand up and fight" the company and "force them to examine their own corporate values".

According to the couple's tax returns, Mrs Obama earned $51,200 (£25,700) for her work as a non-executive director on Treehouse's board last year, on top of the

$271,618 salary she was paid as a vice-president of the University of Chicago Hospitals.

advertisementShe also received 7,500 Treehouse stock options, worth a further $72,375, as she did the previous year, when she banked a $45,000 salary from the

company.

The apparent contradiction between Sen Obama's political calculation to join the Wal-Mart-bashing lobby, and his wife's profitable role with a company that makes

money from Wal-Mart, is being closely scrutinised by "opposition" research teams working for rival White House candidates, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt.

They are collecting information about Mrs Obama's Treehouse ties, anticipating that - in a country where "going dirty" is a political way of life - the link may provide

valuable ammunition in the election campaign.

Such attacks could be particularly damaging for Sen Obama, who has promised a change from politics as usual. Just last week, on her first foray to the crucial first

primary state of New Hampshire, Mrs Obama praised her husband's "moral compass", reflecting a key message of his campaign.

Joe Novak, a Chicago political consultant who runs an anti-Obama website, said: "The Obamas would have us believe that, when it comes to money and ethics and

compassion, he is a different kind of politician.

"What's different here is that they actually seem to believe it. That's the only way they can justify the contradictions between what they preach and what they practice.

Defending Treehouse while attacking Wal-Mart is a blatant example of personal hypocrisy."

Sen Obama's campaign team and Mrs Obama's spokesman did not respond to requests by The Sunday Telegraph for comment. But the senator previously told

Crain's Chicago Business magazine that, while his views on corporate reform and social justice remained the same regardless of what happens at Treehouse,

"Michelle and I have to live in the world and pay taxes and pay for our kids and save for retirement".

Hillary Clinton, Sen Obama's main rival for the Democratic nomination, can testify to the political dangers in liberal America of being associated with Wal-Mart, even

though the company's cost-cutting policy makes its goods more affordable for the low-paid. The New York senator and wife of the former President Bill Clinton still

encounters flak for serving on the company's board from 1985 to 1992, before becoming First Lady.

According to Treehouse's financial filings, Wal-Mart accounted for 16.1 per cent of its sales last year, up from 11.7 per cent in 2005 (a 37 per cent increase),

comfortably making it the company's biggest customer. Treehouse's annual operating profits rose from $28 million two years ago to $84 million (up 200 per cent) in

2006.

Mrs Obama, 43, was re-elected to the board last month for a further three years, a period that would overlap with her husband's time in the White House if he becomes

America's first black president.

Mrs Obama is Treehouse's senior non-executive director and sits on the company's audit and nominating and corporate governance committees. Her Treehouse

connection is not the only awkward ethical question that has confronted Sen Obama as his past is dug over.

Earlier this year, in response to a newspaper investigation, he said he was unaware that his broker had bought $50,000 worth of stock in two speculative companies

whose leading investors included some of his biggest political donors.

He has also apologised for his "boneheaded error" in striking a property deal with Tony Rezko, a Chicago Democrat operative facing a federal indictment.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:47 AM
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11. Wonderful, inspiring message.
Thanks for posting. :hi:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:57 AM
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15. Yes we do need anger -- Edwards does not intend to be "impolite"
This is just a lot of hot air.

The anger in Washington and among the diehard conservatives and Corporate interests has been very effectively used to push their agenda over the years.

They're not going to change.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:27 PM
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17. kick
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