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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:37 AM
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The Joe to which we were almost bound
Clear your mind a moment and join me in a short thought experiment.

Imagine that the Supreme court had not installed GWB back in 2000, and that we're finishing up with Al's 2nd term.

Our de-facto candidate would be Holy Joe Lieberman.

What kind of Joe would this be? Recall (though I may be mistaken on the timing) that Joe's evil side did not fully mature until sometime around 2004-2005, and were he entrenched as VP, we might not have caught that glimpse of color from the inside of his coat. Leave aside for a moment that 2 terms of Gore would have resulted in a dramatically different America, and that much of the pressure that has built behind the democratic and populist movements likely would be absent in that less-desperate and more open society, and consider who Joe would have been for us as an incumbent VP trying to lead us into 4 more years of Democratic leadership.


Would we be screwn?

:shrug:
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:43 AM
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1. No because Al would save us...
...sensing imminent peril at the hands of the insidious Lieberman, Super-Al crashes through the walls of the oval office... with his unnatural strength fueled by righteousness and hearty cups of baby seal urine, Al lifts evil Joe off the ground by his neck, twisting him into a wretched biodegradable red stain on the carpet. Democracy saved once again...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:43 AM
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2. Too horrible to contemplate. A near-miss that leaves you shaken but grateful.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:10 PM
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3. I have to think that Al would have picked a different person second time
Nothing to prove it, but the pick, bizarre as it seems from this perspective, was political (I forget why it was thought he was good), and Al would have gotten to know the guy better in the first four years

Trying to picture the US we would have had we and Al not been screwn is an impossibility. It's like parallel universes.
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:19 PM
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4. That's kinda the point...

How often does an incumbent Pres. cast off his VP? Historically it doesn't seem like a common occurrence.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:34 PM
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5. More than you think
Jefferson, Madison, Jackson, Lincoln, Grant, McKinley, Roosevelt did

only others with the opportunity are

Washington, Monroe, Ike, Reagan, Clinton and shrub

Nixon is a special case since Agnew resigned.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:28 PM
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7. Don't forget Gerald Ford and Nelson Rockefeller
"Rocky" served as VP from 1974-1977, but was asked off the 1976 ticket with Ford and was replaced by Bob Dole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:16 PM
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6. Another reason Gore really doesn't deserve another chance.
Picking JoeMo showed that Al was (a) petty and ungrateful toward Clinton, and (b) not a good judge of character or ability.

We need and can do better.

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