EXTREMELY interesting breakdown of what went down, look CAREFULLY...

Note that Obama almost exactly came out with what the entry polls said. On the other hand both Clinton and Edwards polled ABOVE their entry polls. What that means is that the 2d round caucus members for the bottom tier candidates ALL went for either Edwards or Clinton. Obama received none or almost none of the second round votes. THAT my friends is NEWS!!!!! and it is not good news for Obama.

oh SHIT!!! forgot the damn link! sorry
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#val=IADEM

than primaries are..

Why is that news?

Obama just won Iowa, and you're claiming that to be bad news for Obama.

thanks. We've got a long way to go before the convention :-)

If Obama got more votes, how is it relevent whether they were first tier or 2nd tier?

Noitice that on the entry poll Obama had 35% and that is pretty much what his totals at the end were. Hillary 26% or so and Edwards only 24% thats a total of about 85% of the first round of voting. The reamining 15% were spread amongst the second tier candidates and the undecided.

Now Clinton finished around 30% and Edwards at around 30% and Obama at around 37% those are are from the final round. What that shows is that Clinton picked up a couple of percentage points and so did Obama, but Edwards clearly picked up 6%+ so maybe I should revise my OP to state that the second tier voters in the later rounds went almost 60% Edwards. It shows that peoples second choice in Iowa was clearly Edwards and not Obama or even Clinton...and disgustingly so not Biden(I will eat no pork from Iowa fro a YEAR) ;)

JE's is 30% and Clinton's is 29%. That's a clear and decisive win. No matter how you want to parse it.

let me see if I can explain...In a caucus, groups of people, according to where they actually live/or venue where they usually vote, meet in a centrally located meeting hall, home, office, whatever.....When the caucus is declared open, each candidate's supporters group together, and then separate to spend a certain amount of time, mingling and trying to persuade other candidate's supporters to vote for their candidate instead....then all the people vote, first time...ALL of the candidates represented, have to have a certain % of the total number of votes present, in order to remain viable, because whomever doesn't have the required % of votes, gets dropped...this takes place several times(elimination rounds, more or less imo)....individuals continue to try to convince others to vote for their candidate, until each group of people caucusing, picks one, two or even three candidates (if those few are stubborn and will not vote for someone else, AND have the required % of votes to stay viable)..So what this means is...Obama got the most votes on the initial first vote...but when it came to those who were caucusing for Biden, Dodd, etc to put their votes behind another candidate(because their candidate did not have the required % of votes to stay in the race)....they chose Clinton or Edwards, instead of Obama...I don't know how many more states caucus...vs....how many have primaries...but obviously, people who vote in primaries only have to vote ONCE, there is NO second or third vote cast like there is when people caucus....The first vote is the ONLY vote that counts in a primary....in a caucus, things can change drastically from when it started to when it ends.....wb (hope I helped)

meetings I've been on.

:popcorn:

26 more people were attracted to Obama's huge crowed of 160 for the second round. There were 375 total.

that Obama kicking the shit out of Hillary and Edwards is bad news for *HIM*??

man you guys are off the rails!

I'm leavin NJ in about 1/2 hour, going to NH for Edwards...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2589463&mesg_id=2589463

and being amoungst friends.

I read this as only 30% (or 29% for Hillary) see Hillary or John Edwards as their first or second choice... 38% see Obama as such.. which is why he WON and will do better in a General Election.

the entrance polls are counting voters but the results count delegates.... you are comparing two different animals. You are forgetting that in some precincts it is reported that Obama had about and beyond what he needed to get the few delegets. Same goes for Edwards and Hillary in some precincts... you can't look at the delegate count and say it is proof of the number of second choice picks...