Why do some ghouls try to link Paul Wellstone to their candidate?

Does anyone have any idea? It strikes me as the act of a ghoul...

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:shrug:

respectfully disagreed with Dean on a lot of issues. Dean is not the populist liberal he painted himself to be.

That Wellstone called the Texas Vermont Compact for burying nuclear waste "environmental racism", we have some idea of what he would have thought of one of Deans actions.

I imagine Dean could have fought back on that count!

WHY????

It broke my heart when I learned that. Why, Paul, why? :(

....sunset clauses which would allow Congress to review the law after seven years. If not, the Patriot Act might have been PERMANENT.

Nice to have an informed opinion pop-up every once in a while. Thanks.

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It's an insult to his memory, and to all of us who loved him to try to glom on to his memory for selfish political purposes!

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He absolutely would have been against Nader's candidacy. That's certain.

That's a fact, Jack!

And that's a fact, JACK!! People make me sick around here.

How do you know WHO Paul Wellstone was?

Have you lived in Northfield and worked on his campaign?

...usually it's when they compare a PNAC lackey to a true liberal like Wellstone.

..since he "adopted" one of Wellstone's quotes... he must think so.

and Kerry voted agaisnt it.

:shrug: like who?

It makes me SICK!

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"I'm from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party"

own money to become president so that he can fulfill a dream born out of an 18 year old's idolatry of the Kennedy family, and, perhaps, a slight sense of class entitlement.

"class entitlement" to get out of Vietnam, like so many others of his class and status at that time (Shrub/Cheney, et al., anyone?).

I have to preface this by saying that I totally commend Kerry for enlisting and, once he got there and found the Navy wasn't doing much, for picking up a gun, and going up the rivers. That definitely takes character.

However, it's also important to note that Kerry's OT program was full of Ivy Leaguers who wanted to do the patriotic thing but didn't want to be in the front lines.

Kerry has wanted to be president since he was a kid, and signing up for the navy and becoming an officer was part of that plan, and that plan was made easier because of class privilege.

Clinton also wanted to be president, but his route was through working his ass off in a public high school, at Georgetown, Oxford and Yale, and then going back to Arkansas and trying to represent the people, with nothing but talent and a willingness to work hard to offer.

They wrote it. It's a fact. Kerry just isn't the corporate whore you people have tried to paint him as being. Deal with it.

Thanks for telling it like it is!

Or don't you believe NEWS CORPORATION (a.k.a. FAUX) is a corporation?

Dean's No Wellstone
by Jim Farrell

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Lately, presidential contender Howard Dean has been likening himself to the late Senator Paul Wellstone. Out on the stump, Dean has used a phrase that Wellstone long employed--that we need candidates who "represent the democratic wing of the Democratic Party." Before audiences of progressives and party activists, it is reportedly Governor Dean's best applause line. No wonder. The Democratic rank and file yearn for populist leadership based on a firm commitment to progressive policies.

Dean acknowledges that his own politics are considerably less "liberal" than Wellstone's but that he identifies with the senator's passion and commitment to beliefs. Certainly, Dean's campaign has many of the trappings of progressive politics. Dean himself is an upstart and outsider, and his call for a grassroots campaign to "take back America" sounds progressive.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030526&s=farrell

Oops...I forgot...

For shame.

Kerry's voting record was very close to Wellstone's. Edwards' record was not, nor was Dean's. Considering the regard we all give the man, I do think that is noteworthy.

since he was a Governor, that doesn't surprise me.

Maybe, through some magical process of identification, they hope that voters will see in them what has been idealized in the linked to figure.

with John McCain.

It was very strange.

Some DUer said he was a McCain wannabe.

Wellstone worked with Kerry in the Senate on a number of bills, and was in close contact with him. They did agree on many issues.

Wellstone was also the only Senator who attended meetings of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, which was/is chaired by Dennis Kucinich. DK even came here and campaigned for Paul in 2002 before the plane crash.

True, nobody can say for sure which candidate Wellstone would have supported this year. Nobody knows for sure. But I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to mention their involvement with him in the past.

What IS despicable is how he's been cannonized by so many Democrats as being the "heart and soul" of the party, when so many of them wouldn't think twice on denegrating him when he was alive.

As somebody who was a "Wellstone Democrat" looooong before Paul got elected to the Senate, that makes ME sick.

. . . traveled to Minnesota to help their friend win re-election. Friday, Kerry remembered talking to a “very energized” Wellstone on the phone Wednesday night and visiting with Sheila Wellstone.

“The last thing I did was give her a hug,” said Kerry. “He was incredibly caring. He cared and cared and cared beyond most people’s ability to care. Paul’s poll was in his gut and his heart.”

http://rutlandherald.com/News/Story/55212.html

I feel simimlarly.

Have to tie in to the Wellstone "aura."

Wellstone worked well with ALL.

Dean uses Wellstone's line in order to associate himself with him.

And since our front-runner is a dead guy, it all works out. ;)

Howard Dean" or "Paul Wellstone and ... varied combinations.

It will be very informative.

"So many people who never knew Paul are better off because of him. We all loved Paul for his energy and independence. He was the Pied Piper of modern politics - so many people heard him and wanted to follow him in his fight. His loss is monumental. I loved his passion, his spirit, and his zest for making peoples' lives better. This is sad beyond any words." - Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/4369168.htm


March 29, 1996-

The AFSCME president praised recent efforts by Senators Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA), John Kerry (D-MA), Paul Wellstone (D-MN) and Barbara Boxer (D-CA) for their efforts to increase the minimum wage, and sharply criticized Sen. Bob Dole (R-KS), the majority leader and Republican presidential candidate, for blocking efforts to vote on the issue.
http://www.afscme.org/press/1996/pr960329.htm


New England News
10/26/2002
Kerry Says Loss is 'Absolutely Crushing"

BOSTON -- Senator John Kerry is devastated over the
untimely death of Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone, his wife and a
daughter in a plane crash.

Kerry was campaigning Tuesday in Minnesota with Wellstone's
wife, Sheila. The Massachusetts Democrat was in Boston yesterday
and was clearly choked up on the telephone when he learned that
Wellstone's small plane had crashed, killing Wellstone and seven
others.

Kerry says it's a devastating loss to all Minnesotans, to his
Senate family and "to every single one of those young kids
who believed in the politics that Paul was able to bring alive for
them."

Kerry honored Sheila Wellstone for her role in helping to pass
the Violence Against Women Act. (AP)
http://www.whdh.com/news/articles_p/local/D1516


John Kerry Regarding the Death of Senator Paul Wellstone

"This is horrific news. It's just absolutely sickening to hear we've lost Paul and Sheila in one awful instant. It doesn't get worse than this.

Paul and Sheila together were an extraordinary caring, fighting couple. They were the best people in politics and in life - the most caring, the most giving, the most sincere and genuine people in public life I've ever met.

Everyone has lost something we can never get back. It is impossible to measure the number of lives he touched. So many people who never knew Paul are better off because of him. We all loved Paul for his energy and independence. He was the pied piper of modern politics -- so many people heard him and wanted to follow him in his fight. His loss is monumental. I loved his passion, his spirit, and his zest for making peoples' lives better. This is sad beyond any words.

Teresa and I can not begin to express our sympathy for Paul and Sheila's surviving children and grandchildren, for those who will carry on in the Wellstone family, for the families of his courageous and committed staff members also lost today, and for all the people of Minnesota and particularly those who had made Paul's cause their own."
-- Sen. John Kerry
http://sbc.senate.gov/democrat/107press/oct2502.html


Children's issues also play a prominent role in the political dialogue as Wellstone travels the nation in his exploratory presidential campaign. He has crossed campaign paths several times this year with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who made children's issues the centerpiece of his exploratory campaign's platform.
http://www.startribune.com/stories/843/21227.html


Senator Wellstone is sponsoring a resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that any welfare reform enacted by Congress must include provisions addressing the problem of domestic violence among welfare recipients. Currently, only nine Senators are co-sponsoring this resolution: Patty Murray (WA), Edward Kennedy (MA), Russell Feingold (WI), Daniel Akaka (HI), Paul Simon (IL), John Kerry (MA), Barbara Boxer (CA), Bill Bradley (NJ), and Ron Wyden (OR).
http://www.now.org/issues/economic/welfref2.html

Thank you.

I'm bookmarking

I'm very offended and sickened by ANYONE who's trying to pin Wellstone's "endorsement" to their candidate. For shame. :(

Dean just borrowed his stump style, and Kerry was closest to his progressive legislative achievements (and worked closely with him on key issues).

Who ever said that "this is the candidate Wellstone would have voted for"? I'd be sickened, too, but right now I'm just disappointed that you are suggesting it.

have supported Kerry.

I hope you'll still be sickened.

because we need to stop the endorsement stuff....it's upsetting.

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Gee. Dean said that.

Kerry's lived it.

Big difference.

Still, it's a divisive question, more than ghoulish.

Since we seem to have gotten the bile out of our systems, perhaps a serious consideration of the question is in order...

What the initial post is saying is pretty obvious: certain posters are trying to 'bootstrap' whatever proposition they assert in their post by tying it to Paul Wellstone's name, even when there is no objective basis to conclude that Senator Wellstone would have supported that proposition had he lived.

I think the criticism is justified, and it also strikes me as a rather ghoulish practice. To state that Sen. Wellstone believed A, and my candidate's position on A is thus and so, so therefore Senator Wellstone would have supported my candidate/candidate's position on A is simply a bald-faced assertion, without more.