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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:33 AM
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I do not want a Baptist minister for President. So why....
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 10:35 AM by MichiganVote
Why does Huckbilly get a pass on having to explain that he too can offer an impartial stance as a government official even though we all know that Romney was expected by pundits to give his "JFK" speech?

Why does Huckabilly promote this ordained minister mantel in some areas and not in others?

The The Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) consists of numerous agencies including entities such as the Ethics & Religious Liberties Commission. What involvement will this have in his supposed administration? Who are the people that are aligned with his campaign that spawn from this?

A little history....Baptists in the South believed that the Bible supported the practice of slavery, and they also wanted to preserve the rights of ministers to own slaves. The Baptist position on slavery and racial superiority was not officially denounced until June 20, 1995 when a formal "Declaration of Repentance" was issued by the SBC.

1995? It took this organization 130 years to denounce slavery? If that's the "change" republicans hope to foster in the US, its a sad day for them when an African American beats them in Iowa in terms of percentages.

So here are some of the beliefs of our Southern Baptist minister nominee...
The official Web site of the Southern Baptist Convention lists ten "Position Statements" on various contemporary issues.

* Priesthood of all believers—Laypersons have the same right as ordained ministers to communicate with God, interpret Scripture, and minister in Christ's name

So this guy is going to claim God speaks to him as * has. Change? Not much.

* Creeds and confessions—Statements of belief are revisable in light of Scripture. The Bible is the final word.

So much for the Constitution.

* Women in ministry—Women are an integral part of Southern Baptist boards, faculties, mission teams, writer pools, and professional staffs. Pastoral leadership is assigned to men.

A Huckabilly administration won't see much in the way of female representation

* Church and state—a free church in a free state. Neither one should control the affairs of the other.

Watch the tax free status expand for the Southern Baptist enterprise

* Missions—We honor the indigenous principle in missions. We cannot, however, compromise doctrine or give up who we are to win the favor of those we try to reach or those with whom we desire to work.

Translation: You can forget about funding for AIDS

* Sexuality—We affirm God's plan for marriage and sexual intimacy—one man, and one woman, for life. Homosexuality is not a "valid alternative lifestyle."

Re-enter laws of discrimination against gays and lesbians

* Sanctity of life—At the moment of conception, a new being enters the universe, a human being, a being created in God's image.

Good-bye Roe v. Wade, hello coathangers

*****I want you all to think, really think, about how the media, the Huckabilly campaign, and the elites are concealing this guy's true intentions. "With liberty and justice for all" will be thrown right out the window*****

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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:37 AM
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1. Well, I adored baptist Sunday School teacher, Jimmy Carter.
And I'm an athiest.

Of course, there's a big (huge, actually) difference
between Carter and Huck-a-spud.

I just thought I'd toss out the Carter/Baptist connection
before some troll tried to exploit it.

Hey, Michigan! My friend Mike Brewer says that MI's 156
delegates will more than likely go to Clinton. Heard
anything to the contrary?

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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:45 AM
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5. Speaking only as a citizen of Michigan minus party affiliation...
Michiganders will in all likelihood vote heavily for Clinton because they are in a nasty retaliatory mood when it comes to Republicans these days. We're getting between 10-20 TV ads daily from Romney who hopes to court the favor of voters based on his father's prior governorship. Yawn. Most of the people I know, don't buy it and I live in a very repub. area. Not too many happy campers in Michigan. Obama could have counted solidly on the African American vote but not even his speeches about change will ignite a lot of love his way these days.

As for Jimmy Carter, he was not an ordained minister...
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:04 AM
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14. Many of us did and still do. However, Carter has left the SBC
because he did not agree with the way they were changing.

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The former president, whose evangelical Christian faith figured prominently in his 1976 White House campaign, said in a letter mailed to fellow Baptists that he is cutting ties to the Southern Baptist Convention after struggling with the "increasingly rigid" creed of the nation's largest Protestant denomination.

Some of the group's positions, including recent decisions barring women pastors and declaring that wives should "submit graciously" to their husbands, "violate the basic premises of my Christian faith," Carter wrote.

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More here:
http://edition.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/20/carter.baptists.ap/

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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:07 AM
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15. Thank you. I didn't know that.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:37 AM
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2. Because Protestantism is "normal" and the rest of us are suspect NT
nmb
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:38 AM
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3. It is the same old story
Bush II, Reagan both had different stories for different audiences. Shrub wasn't even particularly clever about hiding it, using language designed to appeal to the fundies, pushing his "born again" image, etc., etc. I don't think that 2 buck Huck is going to be able to do the same thing, he is too obvious about it. And Shrub has poisoned that well for most Americans...
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:49 AM
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9. Agree. The not so subtle difference is that this guy is a minister of that church.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:38 AM
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4. Well, at least he's upfront about it:
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 10:38 AM by MethuenProgressive
It's the 'stealth' fundi candidates that pander to the hatewing of their churches with a wink and a nod that we have to defend our country against.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:48 AM
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8. I don't think he has had to be upfront about what his position as a minister and as a government
official could mean at all. Merely making the rounds touting his religion is hardly the same as having to declare where one begins and the other ends. Furthermore, while governor 19 guys on death row were whacked.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:46 AM
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6. I'll tell you what..
all I heard on my local news this morning were interviews from evangelicals thanking jeebus for huckleberry because he was "god's canididate".:puke:
I think god needs to get the hell out of politics. If huckleberry gets the nomination I would work for JOE LIEBERMAN if he were running against him.
I do not want another evangelical cum lately as my president. NO FUCKING WAY.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:50 AM
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10. :) I think they want God to pay their taxes.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:47 AM
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7. I've lived in SB territory. It's segregated.
Go to the beach in Pensacola and turn right.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:52 AM
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11. Exactly. It seems to me the media and even the Dem's are permitting Huck
to segregate his role as an ordained Baptist minister from the fact that he is running for the highest office in the world. I think people have been sleeping on this and it needs to be raised front and center.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:57 AM
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12. He has no chance
In a long general election campaign, people will scratch beneath the surface and see how out there he is.

I still say there is no way the Republican party nominates him. If they do, the Republicans will become a narrow regional party with little appeal outside the Bible Belt.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:02 AM
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13. The Republicans remind me of the kind of family that wants to preserve a good face
while in the home all's going to hell. No, I can't see the party run "RNC" endorsing him. Too chancey.
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