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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:10 PM
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Wasn't Edwards Supposed to Win Iowa?
Why doesn't Edwards just drop out so we can have an honest discussion on single payer health care and the war in Iraq?
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tired_old_fireman Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:12 PM
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1. Who is going to have that discussion?
I don't see Clinton, Obama, and Richardson debating single payer health care?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:12 PM
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2. He sure did beat The Clintons/DLC and corporate media expectations though.
I like Obama and Edwards and I'll be happy with either of them winning...

But if anyone needs to drop out, I'd say it's the people who came in last, not the winners at the top.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:17 PM
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5. Didn't Edwards travel to every county in the state?
Edwards had to win this one to be viable.

Now that Edwards is not viable, he should drop.

Kucinich is the honest candidate for single payer health care and against the war.

Let the honest discussion begin!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:22 PM
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14. All I know is he beat the "inevitable" Mega-media Stars, the Clintons. That's big.
If he can beat that machine, I think he still has a fighting chance.

Either way, so long as it's not Clinton, I'm cool. Obama is fine by me.

I like many of Kusinich's positions too (and dislike at least one)- but I cant see anything he does affecting Eddie's decision to stay or go.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:44 PM
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27. I like Kucinich, really I do. But you are saying Edwards should drop...
... because he is "not viable"?

Umm, how is Kucinich a more viable candidate than Edwards?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:01 PM
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32. So, Edwards should drop out for not being viable, but Kuchinich should stay in
Kuchinich, who was not viable in 2004 or in 2008?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:15 PM
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3. So second-place Edwards should Drop Out? That's absurd.
End Of Message.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:17 PM
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7. Absolutely absurd
At best anyone with 5% or less should consider dropping out. Though maybe they should wait until the NH primary.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:18 PM
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9. How is Edwards viable if Iowa was his best chance at a win early?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:31 PM
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24. W/O the independent voters, Obama and Edwards basically tied. . .
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 01:32 PM by emulatorloo
And they both beat Hillary.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:02 PM
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33. W/O the independent voters, Obama beat Edwards and so did Hillary
Obama got 32% of the Democratic vote and Edwards got 23%. Hillary also beat Edwards with 31%.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#val=IADEM
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:02 PM
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35. My mistake if those numbers are accurate -- I have never heard of "ENTRANCE" polls before
Especially in a system like the Iowa Caucus, where you can change your affiliation several times if you want to before the caucus is over.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:58 PM
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31. He's viable because he can win in a general election.
He's viable because weeks ago, he was a distant single-digit third place in most polls, and he just got 30% in the first contest, and beat Hilary.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:16 PM
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4. If that's the way you feel, why (for the same reason) doesn't Hillary just drop out now too?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:21 PM
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12. Edwards has been campaigning in Iowa for years-never left after the '04 election.
If he can't win there, he can't win anywhere. I wish Hillary would drop out, but she has enough money to stay in it to the end.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:17 PM
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6. He placed above someone who's raised over 100 million dollars.
I don't think it's time for him to drop out. Why doesn't Kucinich drop out? He got 0.00% of state delegates. Even Dodd did better and he dropped out.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:18 PM
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8. Wasn't Clinton Supposed to Win Iowa?
Et cetera, et cetera...
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:19 PM
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11. Clinton is not perturbing the discussion on the war and health care
Progressives should demand that Edwards drop.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:23 PM
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15. She isn't? Since when?
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:28 PM
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21. Clinton is not the anti-war single payer pretender
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:24 PM
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17. Thats some damn fine crack you are smoking!
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 01:24 PM by Moochy
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:28 PM
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20. Perturbing?
You mean, he actually raises those issues? For that reason alone he must continue!
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:29 PM
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22. The OP is Hoisted by his own Perturb!
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:30 PM
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23. Edwards has no credibility on the war in Iraq
Why should Edwards continue so as to confuse the single payer health care debate?

Edwards is no longer viable.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:32 PM
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25. If Penguin7 says it
it must be true!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:19 PM
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10. He has no reason to drop out now
If he doesn't win New Hampshire, he probably will.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:22 PM
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13. Well
According to all the talk, it was said that a "large" turnout, and it was huge, would hurt Edwards more than Obama or Clinton. Now coming in second when the odds with a large turnout put him third at best, sounds pretty good to me!
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:24 PM
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16. There is now no reason to support Edwards
The argument for Edwards was that he was the second best progressive, but that he was electable.

Now that the electable argument is settled, Edwards is the second best progressive.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:25 PM
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18. Said the Fucking Shill to himself
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 01:27 PM by Moochy
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:37 PM
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26. Tee hee - good one!
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:54 PM
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30. So him placing 2nd settles the "electable" issue? POP QUIZ: Where did the last two Dem presidents...
... place in the Iowa caucuses?

Bill Clinton (1992): 4th
Jimmy Carter (1976): 2nd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_caucus#Democrats

I guess they were "unelectable".
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:02 PM
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36. WRONG again! Now there is even MORE reason to support Edwards!

Everybody donate!

:woohoo: :woohoo:

:bounce:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:26 PM
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19. Three is a Good Number--To Expect Only One Is Absurd So Early
The three are nearly equal--close enough to be given equal consideration.

Obama got first-timers, but Edwards got the returnees. If you're looking for strength, durability, and growth, Edwards has it.

It's Hillary I feel sorry for. Her campaign is imploding, collapsing like a hot air balloon when the gas jets cut out.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:50 PM
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28. I sure thought he would.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:53 PM
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29. You should consult with Lovelace the Guru ... he'll set you straight ...
Your message sure is cute though Penguin, because like Mumbles Edwards will fight those epic battles to get us to that single payer healthcare system. :)
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:18 PM
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34. Edwards ego...
will not allow him to drop out. There is NO chance now that he will receive the nomination now, the best he could hope for is the VP slot again.. hopefully that won't happen because as the VP nominee last time, he generated little excitement and could not even carry his home state.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:17 PM
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37. If Huckabee wins the GOP nom
JRE's chances at the VP spot goes from slim to none.

The South is going to prove extraordinary tough to win. The Northeast will probably be a lock for the Dems. Obama comes from the Mid-West. Obama best choice for a running mate probably should come from the Rocky Mountain West, the PacNorWest, Cali, or the Southwest.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:19 PM
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40. if Edwards had an ego, he would still be the best Trial Lawyer in North Carolina
Making tens of millions per year.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:18 PM
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38. you're taking a lot of crap on this thread
but I get your point. Edwards' positions on health care and Iraq, are disingenuous at best. He won't be dropping out though, not yet. But, he will lose in NH, and he will lose in SC and he will lose in Nevada, and at that point, one might think he's realize that he's not going anywhere. Or some miracle could happen, and he could sweep to victory across the board. But even if he's out, the media isn't going to touch a candidate who touts single payer.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:19 PM
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39. Honest discussion on Universal Healthcare between
The #1 and #2 recipients of donations from the Health Insurance industries???
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