So, what if a candidate said, "vote for me and I'll have all the troops home

within 60 days"? Would you believe them? :popcorn:

Someone said that today, and it made me reel. Is that at all realistic?

And yes, it was Hillary and her new talking points.

Tick-tock, flip-flop.

"She was before the war before she was against it. How can we trust her?"

John Kerry may have flip-flopped on an issue or two. Hillary's having seizures!

:popcorn:

Hekate

to put us in this situation. That's rich...

She is getting desperate if she said some stuff like that!

We must all remember, any of these candidates are going to say anything now to us to persuade us. We must make sure we keep and eye on their voting records and hold their feet to the fire if we do support them.

That means any candidate.

Where'd you get that?

Yes, she did say that.

She said she would order a plan for withdrawal immediately, and the withdrawal could BEGIN within 60 days.

possibility of accomplishing.

Whoever we may support, we should not be lying about other candidates. I defend her because she's the only one who gets this constant assault of half-truths, assumptions and lies. It really reminds me of what the rightwing spent so much time and energy doing to Gore (and for that matter, to her).

Benefit of the doubt: you inadvertently posted an untruth as fact. Fair?

Yes, if she said that, she's lying. Or she was lying before, when she said there was no way she could guarantee to have the troops out within the first four years of her administration. Suddenly she loses Iowa, and she can guarantee 60 days? What a bunch of typical Clinton bullshit. Her first estimate is probably more realistic. Even if you start the process of withdrawing troops today, it would take a few years to complete. The important thing is to *start the process*.

I'm flabbergasted by this. This is brazen, even by Clinton standards.

it took me three months from when i was in service to go from fort campbell to a container ship with our equipment to kawait where we deployed to the heart of iraq. that includes my entire division (101st) and thats saying alot, if we were able to handoff what little we actually do for the infrastructure to a non interested global coalition (red cross, amnesty int, UN, etc) we could be out in six months easy, equipment and all. Its not the implementation its the whole, well if we leave such and such might happen, don't believe the hype. Is it a coicidance that americans have a military base on every continent? that everywhere we go we have to have our fingers in the pie, the falshood of staying in iraq in any fashion is just that, we don't need to its a lie.

To get elected. That's why I like Edwards, he is not trying to pull punches, and he is honest with the people of this country!

bill, if he couldn't bother to show up to vote when they wanted more time between deployments, how in the hell could anybody believe it, when he said he'd bring the troops home?? And if you don't believe these statements just go to his voting record in the Congressional record, I've posted it enough times.

You should start your own thread with that nugget of knowledge. :thumbsup:

And I wouldn't believe them.

Im not asking for a link to be a dick, Im just wondering.

her internals saying that New Hampshirians want our Troops home? Otherwise why would this latest chameleon come out?

;-) but I heard her say that. I thought over 50% of the country wanted us out of Iraq? Maybe she's just getting with the program belatedly.

She's always said she'd immediately initiate a plan for withdrawal, and the withdrawal could begin within 60 days of her taking office.

hmmm.

I can back up what I heard, posted at 3:24 this afternoon:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3960657&mesg_id=3960745

She has said the SAME THING consistently, and this event was no different. I'm sure it's on her website, too.

which is the same thing she's been saying for over a year now.

Nice to see someone else familiar with her position, whether you agree with it or not.

Had she said that she could have all the troops home in sixty days, I would imagine it would already be a huge headline on Drudge with a picture of her looking bug-eyed and his sirens going.

But that isn't happening.

...half the crap said about her on here wouldn't be said, or at least wouldn't be believed.

This is what's frustrating. Everybody's "heard" things about her and has this "common wisdom," but nobody seems to realize her policy proposals are really not significantly different from Edwards' or Obama's.

You don't have to vote for her, but for cryin' out loud it'd be nice if people stopped villifying her the way the rightwing has for 15 years.

they'd still post distortions and smears about them. Beat them down today, and face them again tomorrow.

confused about exactly what she's promised.

mouth.

matter to me what comes outta her mouth..cause I don't trust her anymore since she turned her back on me and my friends here in New York. And now she and her surrogates are trying to smear Obama with being weak on Pro Choice Issues when he's gotten 100% ratings from Illinois Planned Parenthood Council on his support of abortion rights, family planning services, and health insurances coverages for female contraceptives.

And buzzflash states that.."hillary, this is something we'd expect from karl rove". http://www.buzzflash.com/

for a real withdrawal to even begin to be planned for and carried out. What exactly is being prepped in the 60 days that she's talking about?

The plan and start of withdrawal could start in 60 days; the entire withdrawal would, of course, take longer.

been Consistantly supporting bushit for 5 years. And, now she's trying to distant her funky self from him for the Democrats in Causus States.

because it's a huge flip flop, if you heard it correctly.

that's as bad as Richardson talking about stopping the war and having troops start coming home the very night of his inauguration.

unless hillary has been pulling an extended October Surprise all this time... that's just nuttery to claim that, even if it's not what people want to hear.

Some here seem to think you did.

I for one would like to know whether Hillary would actually flip flop like that.

think I heard incorrectly. Maybe in the excitement of the event she misspoke. And sure, it's possible, but I don't think so. I've been consciously trying to not put any candidates down, but I was shocked.

If you hear any candidate say something that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, I think we can safely assume they misspoke. (Unless they are a Republican.)

It takes enormous resources to deploy and redeploy a Brigade of troops which is why here at Ft. Campbell, they go basically one Battalion at a time. There is all of their equipment to consider, plus all of the men and women themselves.

60 days is a fallacy. If it did happen, it would be very willy nilly in my opinion.

I heard the event, and from what I heard she was consistent in her position.

Like Obama and Edwards, she would keep some level of troops ready to take action against Al Qaeda if necessary.

It was her clarity about 'combat troops' that started the meme that she wants to continue the war. The others have been more vague about keeping troops there, but they too would keep forces in Iraq or closeby in the region (and I think they'd have some guarding the embassy as well).

if we did so iraq would turn into an even bigger disaster than it is now. the solution to our withdraw time table will be to rely on the nations of the area and the iraqi government to stabilize the country while we leave.

And that's what I heard her say at this event.

like i said there would have to a regional and local effort to stabilize iraq before we began to withdraw. i think every democratic candidates understands our responsibility to use diplomacy to solve the dilemma of iraq

I think she, Edwards and Obama all have similar stances on this:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/iraq/

anything (and probably do just about anything) to stem that fall. She's lying. No one could do it.

I heard this event, and I believe she was consistent with what she's always said on this.

The situation is much to iffy to make that kind of promise.

or something like that.

She calls for an immediate start of a plan, to be implemented within 60 days. I think that can be done -- hell, we invaded Afghanistan with less planning!

this stuff is so old it is moldy.

And that's what I heard her say, again, during this event.

Her statement makes perfect sense.

Gee, this was fun. :eyes:

Vote for me and I'll prosecute all the criminals that have ever worked in the Bush White House.

The one that says that has my vote and my enthusiastic support.

-90% Jimmy

want Hillary to win (12/30/07 Washington Journal first guest).

Yeah war!

statements and actions involving deployment of the military. The candidate with the greatest level of credibility on the issue gets my support