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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:41 PM
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Obama just said the four of them were there because they were better than the four who were not ther
Now that came across as he thinks aanyonje of them is better than Joe Biden? Sorry, that fucking slip just earned him enough negative points with me that it will take a truck of good stuff from him to recover. He added more as an after thought that htey also were superior(better) than any republican. But he CLEARLY hit Dodd Biden Kucinich and Gravel.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:42 PM
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1. I don't think that's what he meant to say
I think he was saying that the four of them who were there, plus the ones who were no longer there, were far better than any of the Republicans.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:36 AM
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34. see msg#28 for quote and link
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:42 PM
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2. I don't think it was exactly like that.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:42 PM
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3. I wish Biden had been there.
In a forum like they had tonite,
I think he would have done really
well.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:42 PM
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4. This is NOT what he said. He said the the dems, including the ones who were not there, were better
than the GOPers.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:51 PM
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15. that FOLLOWED the initial statement. it was a gaffe, and NO I do not believe he meant it that way.
BUT he did say it
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:43 PM
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5. You hear what you want to hear
Unreal
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:44 PM
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6. He messed up
I think he dissed Biden and co. Not necessary as the frontrunner.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:44 PM
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7. He was talking about the Republicans.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:34 AM
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32. see msg#28 for quote and link
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:45 PM
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8. What an epic failure of an OP.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:46 PM
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9. He was talkng about the Republicans
and he was right.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:47 PM
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10. Oh please. Nobody believes that but you.
:crazy:
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:47 PM
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11. don't get me wrong, I don't think he meant it the way it came out, but a verbal gaffe has its own
life. I rather suspect he will have to clarify that one tomorrow
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:49 PM
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12. The gaffe is yours.
Step away from the keyboard....
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:34 AM
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31. see msg#28 for quate and link
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:50 PM
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13. He was talking about the Republcians
who had preceded them.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:50 PM
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14. He was talking about the Republcians
who had preceded them.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:53 PM
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16. This is about the third thread tonight where someone made up an Obama quote.
It's starting to get boring, people.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:54 PM
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17. Desperation.
When the truth doesn't work, some try another tactic.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:56 PM
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20. Make that four. Just saw another one posted.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:36 AM
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35. MAde up? see msg#28 for quote and link
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:50 AM
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45. I like how you're going out of your way to draw attention to a transcript that does not help you.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:55 PM
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18. He was talking about the Republicans, not the Democrats who had dropped out.
Geez
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:55 PM
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19. "earned him negative points with me"
I do believe you started out with an Obama deficit, so all this kvetching and hand-wringing is really just a dog and pony show.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:01 PM
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21. I wonder if he screwed that up and meant the Reps on the earlier debate. nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:04 PM
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23. He didn't screw it up. OP did.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:03 PM
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22. As usual Obama put his foot in his mouth and insulted Biden et al.
he is just so ill-prepared. Very disrespectful.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:04 PM
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24. As usual anti-Obama posters simply make up quotes.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:15 PM
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27. Perhaps you were thrown by his stuttering and stammering...
:hi:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:54 AM
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46. Transcript shows I was right. Wasn't he articulate enough for you?
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:22 PM
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66. No. Obama is many things...but "articulate" is NOT one of them.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:35 AM
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33. see msg#28 for quate and link
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:45 AM
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41. Yeah. He's referring to the Republicans, who were just debating right before the Dems.
The following graf makes that clear.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:38 AM
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36. Yep, he said it & then recovered adding the repubs - if you dont believe
it, why dont you go to ABC and read the transcript when they get it up instead of attacking another progressive.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:46 AM
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42. Yep. And he wasn't referring to the other Dems, but rather the Republicans who had just debated.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:13 PM
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25. Uh.. okay. I take it you didn't actually watch the debate and you're
just going by what the OP posted. :eyes:
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:14 PM
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26. You can "take" whatever you like...
it's no skin off my nose.:hi:
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:11 AM
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58. Wouldn't you rather be accurate, though?
Put aside your us/them filter for a moment. Obama was obviously talking about the Republican candidates. I don't know how you could think otherwise.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:57 PM
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28. Here is the QUOTE from the transcript!
"SEN. OBAMA: Well, you know, there have been all kinds of, you know, aspects to my debate performance that I'd love to correct or sharpen, but over all, I actually -- here's an area where I agree with Hillary, that there has been a stark contrast generally between the four of us and those who aren't debating with us now but were previously."

Now tell me you fucking little snot nosed twits that he was referring to REPUBLICANS!!!!!!

and here is the link!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/us/politics/05text-ddebate.html
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:05 AM
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29. To quote Stephen Colbert
Are you high right now? He's clearly talking about the Republicans. When he says he agrees with Hillary he's agreeing with her that there is a stark contrast between the Dems and the Goopers.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:07 AM
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30. Okay, you earned it IGNORE it is
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:51 AM
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62. Hahaha whatever
I'm not the one desperately attacking a candidate.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:41 AM
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37. That's your third distortion of the night
A stark contrast between all of them is not saying anybody is better than anybody else.

You need some comprehension skills.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:45 AM
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40. Yeah, he was. The Republicans who were debating just hours ago in that same room.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 12:49 AM by Occam Bandage
Nice try. As the following paragraph makes clear, that was to be read as "Those who are not debating with us now, but who were (debating) previously," meaning the Republicans. You understood it to mean, "Those who are not debating with us now, but who were (debating with us) previously," which would mean the Democrats, but which would make absolutely no sense whatsoever in context. I have to think your failure to comprehend is intentional.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:48 AM
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43. I saw the debate. I heard what he said. We all knew the context in which he was speaking.
He was talking about the Republicans. Wow, how could something be taken so completely out of context?

"stark contrast generally between the four of us and those who aren't debating with us now but were previously (add debating in this room)."
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:54 AM
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47. Okay kiddies, enlighten us ignorant ones, when did the Dems debate ANY repugs?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:55 AM
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49. They didn't. But
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 12:55 AM by Occam Bandage
as the following paragraph makes clear, that was to be read as "Those who are not debating with us now, but who were (debating) previously," meaning the Republicans. You understood it to mean, "Those who are not debating with us now, but who were (debating with us) previously," which would mean the Democrats, but which would make absolutely no sense whatsoever in context. I have to think your failure to comprehend is intentional.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:58 AM
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51. Yours is a much better explanation than mine, but those who choose not to see never will, no matter
how many times we parse the sentence for them word for word. I think you're right about the intentional failure to comprehend. English is not first language for some :-)
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:01 AM
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54. Thanks. That's what I heard. Obamites trying to re-write history started already n/t
.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:12 AM
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59. OK.
He was referring to the Republicans that had the stage previously, you snot-nosed idiot.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:42 AM
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38. You just make up
shit as you go along just like that scam artist hillary clinton.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:44 AM
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39. That's the third time I've heard him say conceited haughty comments
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 12:44 AM by Auntie Bush
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:48 AM
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44. He was talking about the Republicans. Watch the debate, look at the transcript. The OP is clearly
wrong.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:55 AM
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48. enlighten us ignorant ones, when did the Dems debate ANY repugs?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:56 AM
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50. They didn't, but
as the following paragraph makes clear, that was to be read as "Those who are not debating with us now, but who were (debating) previously," meaning the Republicans. You understood it to mean, "Those who are not debating with us now, but who were (debating with us) previously," which would mean the Democrats, but which would make absolutely no sense whatsoever in context. I have to think your failure to comprehend is intentional.

Is there an echo in here?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:59 AM
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52. Chill out, dude.. stop calling people ignorant because you got it wrong. sheesh.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:00 AM
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53. I believe he was sarcastically calling himself ignorant. Failure to parse all around ;)
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:06 AM
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57. Yes, but you see how I could have easily misconstrued it to read:
Enlighten us.. (you) ignorant ones..

Any sentence can be misconstrued. Just an example of the OPs ability to be misconstrued :-)
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:37 AM
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61. Actually, Didereaux's sentence appears to be grammatical.
Perhaps you may have misread it? His comma appears to be correctly placed for someone who is using sarcasm and is perhaps being a bit facetious. If I am correct and you are, indeed, misreading it, is beyond Didereaux's control. In your example you present pauses that are not there in the sentence. Of course, sentences can be misconstrued~~~even when they are read correctly. I felt that Obama's statement was a jab at the Democrats who were not there debating in NH. A low blow in my book. I watched it with someone who disagreed with me. My friend felt that Obama mis~spoke but that his intention was clear: no attack against the other Democratic candidates was implied or intended.

I believe that Obama has trouble speaking (not unlike the current Resident in Chief) and is therefore prone to foot-in-mouth disease.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:54 PM
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64. Obama's statement was perfectly grammatical as well.
I'm not sure why you had so much trouble following it. :shrug:
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:21 PM
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65. Perhaps Obama's stuttering and stammering is throwing me off?
Could that be it?
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:03 AM
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55. Nope.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:04 AM
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56. A well-reasoned argument. Clearly Obama was
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 01:06 AM by Occam Bandage
making a bizarre jab at Democrats for no apparent reason whatsoever, which he cleverly introduced by invoking Hillary's jab at Republicans, and then followed with a few more jabs at Republicans.
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:17 AM
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60. He Also Didn't Mean To Say That Homophobes Deserve Respect
Oops.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:36 AM
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63. that's not what he said
dumbass
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