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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:13 PM
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Something we seem to be missing about Hillary's "moment"
I'm noticing people on this board are accusing those talking about Hillary's passionate moment of being sexist.

But we quickly forget that people had the same reaction about Howard Dean during his Iowa speech in '04. (And--gasp--he's a man!)

Could this be Hillary's "Dean Scream" that the media will overplay and overhype?
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:14 PM
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1. YEP You got it
That is why I say she is toast
GOOD RIDDANCE to Madame Triangulator!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:17 PM
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6. You ARE trying to make the association with the word and the icon!
Well, well, well.

And this little piggie went to market.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:14 PM
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2. Or in her Senate debate
When the republican dude got up and walked toward her podium. He was accused of being mean and angry.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:30 PM
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27. It worked then..and I
voted for her..but she betrayed a lot of here in New York and we don't want her anywhere near the Executive Branch.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:16 PM
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3. What terrible career-destroying life-altering thing did Hillary do?
I'm sure it will anoint Obama with the mantle of the chosen.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:16 PM
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4. I am not watching the debates, tell me what happened, and is it the media
that is painting her this way? because that is exactly what they did to Dean, and I might add what they did to Dean was a distortion of what really happened, and ANYONE who saw it live know it was a lie the way he was portrayed
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:18 PM
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10. It's odd how people here buy the distortion and not the fact.
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 11:22 PM by aquart
Makes you wonder who they might be.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:20 PM
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13. It is just pure partisan bickering then. It would be nice to debate ISSUES
instead of suppossed apperance
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:22 PM
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16. Here's a link to the Youtube of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07u6uffKvpA

You can make up your own mind. :)
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:27 PM
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22. Thanks, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that response
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 11:28 PM by still_one
In fact it really makes me wonder about some of the posters here if they are so bias by their support for or against a particular nominee that they become blind

In fact, that was a refreshingly direct response without ambiguities

Maybe she is learning from previous mistakes in my view
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:32 PM
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28. That was excellent!!! Thanks for the link.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:17 PM
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5. What sexist moment was that?
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:17 PM
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7. unlike the dean scream

it was her personalty coming through, not playing with the mike levels...
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:18 PM
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8. The Clinton-haters are wishing for that to happen. nt
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:18 PM
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9. Not one person seems to be talking about a "Dean Scream" (ouside of DU)...
could you be following in Obama's tracks and be snorting you some coke?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:20 PM
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12. Oh, I think this bunch of distortionists is quite sober.
And very deliberate.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:24 PM
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17. Really, you think they are "sober"?
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:21 PM
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14. Spoken like a true Clintonite
UGH
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:19 PM
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11. I dislike her as a senator and a candidate, but I did not hear her
do a Howard Dean Tarzan yell. Did you?

She defended her record as a change agent (granted, on thin evidence), but she didn't get all strange on the microphone. She was lucid and rational, if a bit impassioned.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:21 PM
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15. It's the "35 years of change" claim that dissonates
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:26 PM
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20. Things have NOT changed in the last 35 years?
Perhaps you're too young. Yeah. They have.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:26 PM
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21. I spewed my drink on that one. 35 years of change. Surely that wasn't pre-written?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:24 PM
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18. And passion is a BAD thing when Hillary shows it.
But it is, of course, a good thing in the male candidates.


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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:25 PM
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19. "35 years of change." That much change circles back around on yourself a few times.
It was a big mess up in an important debate.

She recovered her poise, but not before that got recorded.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:27 PM
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23. Her response was similar to an exchange between Bush and Kerry during a debate
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 11:29 PM by Quixote1818
Kerry questioned Bush and Bush got angry at Kerry.
Edwards questioned Clinton as a "change agent" and she got angry at Edwards.

There is nothing sexist about it. Bush is a man and made the same mistake and why should we hold Hillary to a different standard than Bush?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:28 PM
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24. Yes, I do think -- after reading all the hype here -- that it'll be used like the "Dean Scream."
However, here's the difference: I never really heard any of the other candidates routinely doing anything resembling the "Dean Scream."

I regularly see and hear the other candidates impassioned and forceful. But when a woman does it, she's (oooooh) "ANGRY!"

:scared:
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:29 PM
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25. The next President will deal with Putin, McConnell, Chavez.....
think about "the moment" that way for a moment, please.

:banghead:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:30 PM
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26. i thought she almost let a tear slip by at the moment. She is human-she bleeds
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:32 PM
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29. No, Dean was treated badly, but this is not a parallel to tonight
Dean was shouting and screaming, because the background noise was bad, and the media decided to distort the presentation. In no way could a fair person say Clinton was shouting and screaming tonight.
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