If Hillary wins New Hampshire, it's because of Edwards, he will split the "change" votes with Obama

Edwards may be the only thing holding Hillary up in New Hampshire. The new CNN/WMUR poll had Edwards at 20%. These are not Hillary people. They are change people who otherwise would be voting for Obama.

In fact, I think her campaign and advisers had it wrong from day 1. They thought the name Clinton alone would work magic at a time when so many Americans are suffering financially after decades of savage free market exploitation.

If anyone divided that bloc it is Obama.

I wonder if their camps weighed the odds before going cozy for this debate?

People that care about "change" are supporting Obama for Obama. There's nothing Hillary or Edwards could say to change that.

That's the math.

She does extremely well among democrats and she will turn out the vote. These voters are not going to John Edwards.

Hillary's problem is she does poorly with independents. If independents split between Edwards and Obama, Hillary can squeak through a victory based on her strength from democrats.

Look at it this way, if Hillary had placed a clear second and Edwards was way behind in 3rd in Iowa. He may have dropped out and endorsed Obama. That was the speculation at the first sign of him faltering in the entrance polls Thursday night before the rural quirks of the delegates and second choicers propped him up.

If he had done that, no way would Hillary be in any position to win. She needs the anti-hillary voters to split between Edwards and Obama. If they consolidate their support, she is finished.

Edwards is not serious competition with obama any more. Edward's hope is to replace Hillary as the alternative to obama. It is strange in the first place, since he beat hillary in Iowa anyhow...but if hillary finishes a distant third, then edwards can take on obama. This, in my view, is the most logical battle for our party's nominee.

I used to think Hillary was so 90s. But after tonight, and her claim that what she did 35 years ago (remember 1973?) constituted change, I am starting to think Hillary relates best with the only demographic group that supported her in Iowa, those in senior citizen status

she will finish 3rd. She would not have finished 1st anyway,regardless of her poor debate performance. And no way was Edwards out of the race after NH, regardless of what happens. I've worked for this man before. An early quitter, he is not.

Get over it!

fucking machine, alright. Too bad for her the country is ready for flesh and blood.

Or because they wont' vote for Obama because he's black.

This really should be a race between Obama and Edwards. Both of these candidates are the change candidates, each with a different emphasis. Hillary never talked about change much until Obama popularized the notion, and even tonight she actually (!) tried to say what happened 35 years ago qualifies as change. Talk about no clue!

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while Obama got a huge number of them in Iowa.

The momentum is on his side and her only chance to reverse that was tonight.