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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:04 AM
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Hillary barb in response to JEs comments regarding patients bill of rights was beneath contempt
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 10:10 AM by Windy
In the debate, he brought up Nataline Sarkisyan, a 17-year old leukemia patient, who did not get the OK for a liver transplant until it was too late, pointing out the injustice.

Later, he was asked to discuss one of his accomplishments in the Senate. He brought up his co-sponsorship of the patients bill of rights. Clinton came back with a nasty rebuttal stating that if he had been able to get his bill through the house, Nataline wouldn't have died. That is what she said with a nasty tone and a direct jab. It was absolutely horrible. She came off as completely irrational and vitriolic in her attempt to go after her rivals. It was a glimpse into her personality and I found it disturbing and unpresidential.

Edwards handled her bitter commments with grace however, pointing out calmly that it was Bush who killed the bill. Hillary did agree... John Edwards covered Hillary's behind on that trip up and gave her an out for her deploable conduct. It was absolutely appalling. I know that a lot of you won't agree, but I was completely sickened by that exchange.

that kind of beneath the belt garbage is not what we want in Washington.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:04 AM
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1. She was launching snark bombs left and right.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:08 AM
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2. She's Angry and Bitter - She's Being Denied What's Due To Her
And she still has many millions to spend - this is likely to be a sad and spectacular meltdown.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:10 AM
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3. "Due" her. Did you forget the quotes Manny?
:shrug:
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:20 AM
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8. Can You Refresh My Memory? nt
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:13 AM
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5. You are probably right.
And Hillary will certainly spend her millions in an attempt to advance her campaign, which she cannot win, instead of doing what's right for her country. That would be to end her pursuit of the WH and turn over her millions to the Democratic nominee to ensure the rethugs are turned away.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:12 AM
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4. (yawn) another lame attempt to "dean scream" Hillary
or to make her out to be "mean"
If I were to describe Obama as "condescending" or "cocky"
there would be a hissy fit around here..
what a load of hooey.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:24 AM
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10. Look, she was wrong and her comments were disgusting. Not trying to dean scream her
That was beneath contempt. Dean was a candidate who was excited and tried to rally his supporters after a loss. it was overblown by the media and turned into a manic moment. The media actually questioned his sanity. That was ridiclous.

What Clinton did when she made those comments was to clearly attempt to somehow insinuate that John Edward's failure to pass the Patients Bill of Rights was a cause of this child's death.

that is what she said and meant. John rehabiliated her.

Her actions and statements were deplorable. To me, this illustrated some serious flaws in her character.

This is much more serious than an overzealous rallying cry.
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:21 AM
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19. How Was She Wrong?
Is Hillary suppose to sit there and let these two CHANGE people lie about their accomplishments?
That's what he was doing. The bill did not pass. If there had been a patients rights bill perhaps the young lady would not have died. That's what she said. My God I can't believe the blind bitterness on this Underground. I am always disgusted by the way the Swiftboaters twisted and lied. Just because the same tactics are used on Democratic Underground does not make them okay.
After reading the tripe by Some (a good lot) of Obama supporters, my pencil is poised to draw a line through his name.

McCain and slow talking Thompson don't need to tear Hillary down because Obama and Edwards supporters will do it for them. You won't convince me these people who profess to be supporters of Edwards and Obama, then twist and shout lies about the other candidates, are not trolls.
At least I hope they are not going around saying they are Democrats. How embarrassing that would be.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:26 AM
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20. The fault for her death does not lie with John Edwards as she clearly suggested
She is employing "Swiftboat" tactics.

I really don't understand how you could take her comments lightly. You must not have been watching the same debate that I watched last night.

She is her own worst enemy. As I said, her comments which were directly aimed at Edwards and clearly not a general statement regarding the overall history of the bill. Her comments were beneath contempt. She has a character problem. It deep within her and not something that can be overcome.

We don't need her in the whitehouse.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:39 PM
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23. I thought she blamed George Bush for the bill not passing
and the death. If she blamed Edwards that would be terrible. I thought is was fair for her to give the other side of Edwards' claim about his accomplishment.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:17 PM
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26. The same could have been said regarding many HRC supporters just a couple of weeks ago
They have been pretty hard on Obama and Edwards.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:15 AM
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6. Put a fork in Hillary, she's done
She knows she's going to lose badly again in New Hampshire and her Dean Scream Moment last night was the epitome of her impending fall. She's only knows to go negative at this point and is like a trapped rat in a corner.

Gently and with the accurate aim of truth, the obvious will be taken care of.

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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:25 AM
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12. Not a dean scream moment. It was more signficant than that.
Mrs. Clinton has some serious character issues.

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:37 AM
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15. I'm glad more people are realizing it.
This is what I saw when she backstabbed John Kerry right before the 2006 elections. She gave credibility to the right wing smear to help make sure he was out of her way for 2008.

I had been open to Hillary's candidacy before that but I felt that incident revealed that she had a mean streak a mile wide and would always put her own interests ahead of doing what's right.

Lately I was kind of hoping that I was wrong, because she does have some political strengths, and it looked like she might still win the nomination.

But if lots of other people are now seeing what I saw then, Hillary will never win. And that's a good thing.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:19 AM
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7. And she called for a "reality break" after Obama talked of losing his mother.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 10:21 AM by jefferson_dem
She's losing it.

SEN. OBAMA: That's true. Look, the -- we are now disclosing -- if they're bundling money for members of Congress, they've got to disclose who they're bundling money from and who they're giving it to.

But here's -- here's -- here's the critical point that I want to make. Not only does this have to be personal, John -- and you know, I completely agree. When I think about health care, I think about my mother, who, when she was dying of cancer, had to read an insurance form because she had just gotten a new job and they were trying to figure out whether or not this was going to be treated as a preexisting condition and whether or not they would pay her medical bills.

And I -- so I've seen the costs of a health care system that is broken in very personal terms.

But what I also believe, if we're going to bring about real change, then we have to bring in the American people. You know, we have to bet on them, and that's what's been lost. People, I think, feel that they are not heard at all, they are not involved. And the only way we're going to muster enough power over the long term to actually get something done is if we've got a working majority, which is why it's so important --

MR. GIBSON: Now I want to go to Senator --

SEN. CLINTON: Can we just have a -- can we just have a sort of a reality break for a minute? Because I think that it is important to make some kind of an assessment of these -- of these statements.

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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:21 AM
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9. I think she turned off a lot of people with that performance last night.
She did herself no good that is for sure.
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:25 AM
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11. It was pretty awful, blaming him for Natalies death
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 10:25 AM by MalloyLiberal
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:25 AM
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13. Its no surprise
Any time you speak out powerfully for change, the forces of status quo attack.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:27 AM
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14. She just doesn't get it
It's real sad seeing her fade away. She once showed great promise.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:45 AM
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16. She will either fade out or flame out in spectacular fashion
I for one am just grateful that the people of NH got to see the *real* Hillary last night.

If this is how she acts while challenged by her own party, what could we expect in the GE, or with a foreign leader who won't "obey" her?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:49 AM
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17. how? Edwards was braging about the "change" he has brought about
in the Senate, and she pointed out that--there was no change, the girl died. He sits there bragging about change and did not come through.

He was not telling the whole truth. We DID need a reality check.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:52 AM
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18. Exactly, he was asked to pick
anything from his record to back up his rhetoric, and he chose something that proved he didn't change anything.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:59 PM
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24. Then why didn't she say it that way?
Something along the lines of, "Change is good but it's not so easy as just demanding it."

Anything but the venomous side she flashed last night.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:29 AM
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21. discussing policy is fine... overtly blaming Edwards for the death of that teen was disgusting.
That is what she clearly did and it was more than unbecoming. It demonstrates a serious character flaw.

Edwards was kind enough to attempt to rehabilitate her. She was very lucky that he demonstrated class in response to her allegations.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:39 PM
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22. I have to agree that was a bad thing to say...or maybe a bad way to say it. (n/t)
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:57 PM
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25. Your comment is beneath the belt, if anything.
Wake up. It's a political campaign. People say tough things.

:dunce:

Tired, tired, tired.

Because you know Sen. Clinton is just supposed to be able to heal people by the laying on of hands, right?

Seriously, what are you going to do that doesn't involve bitterness?
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