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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:17 PM
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Obama is becoming the new hero of our party
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 12:32 PM by Katzenkavalier
I think he'll be the new great Democratic hero, the "great communicator" that was able to inspire a huge chunk of voters across the aisle to vote Democrat, the man that will empower the progressive movement in this country for years to come; our "Teflon" president.

I sense that when I see Obama.

(Edited for the sake of some people who were highly offended by the comparison, even though Obama himself recognizes my point on "The Audacity of Hope").
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The Ghost Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:18 PM
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1. Id say
hes the next Bill Clinton. Hillary is not.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:23 PM
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18. I'd agree more with this.
eom
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:46 PM
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58. Fuck, Clinton was a sellout.......
I hope Obama would be better than a sell out, NAFTA cost me a job of 25 years. Bill Clinton helped destroy my income.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:18 PM
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2. Oh good grief Katz
that comparison doesn't help Obama. Reagan was a con-man, an empty suit, B grade actor.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:19 PM
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7. Reagan did wonders for the conservative movement in this country.
Obama will do wonders for us, seasoned.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:20 PM
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11. Don't EVEN insult any Dem by comparing him to that Reagan a-hole, please
Just don't. Thanks. Even H. Clinton, whom I don't support, would not deserve to be compared to that sh*thead.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:23 PM
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I stand by my point, because I'm not equating them.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:25 PM
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26. Don't think I'm attacking you, please. At all. I just don't even like the Reagan name mentioned.
He was a pig and did piggish things to the people of our country.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:27 PM
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29. We agree on that. But he empowered the GOP like no other figure had.
Obama has what it takes to do great things for this country and empower Dems like we haven't been empowered in decades.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:28 PM
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32. Only because he was a pig. Reagan was nothing but a pig. That's how he empowered the Repukes. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:37 PM
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49. reagun was responsible for death
and the trickle down catsup movement.

We have to be real and not some pie in sky ronnie reagun movement whom his own son renounced his actions cause he's one of the good guys.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:46 PM
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75. He caused housing disaster, increased debt, grew government-hardly doing wonders for Conservative
movement. He did wonders for munitions and war machine, and super rich and kept middle class down.

What does seasoned mean ---on the job training?
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:20 PM
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12. And let's not forget, probably mentally absent for a good portion of his Presidency.
:wtf:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:25 PM
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24. he did not win California without hard work
political smarts and a message that resonated. I did not like him, I thought he was a mediocre president, and I think his resurrection as the saint of the GOP was our fault, because we let them do it. Instead of telling the truth and having a debate on his disastrous policies, he became the rallying focus.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:18 PM
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3. He will be the one to really ruin this country.
He will divide it like it has never been divided before.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:21 PM
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14. Only in pea brains, bit. nt
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:23 PM
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17. I could live with another Abraham Lincoln
Just sayin'.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:29 PM
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36. I think * already lays claim to that one. eom
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:19 PM
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4. Yikes! Iran Contra...Yikes! n/t
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:19 PM
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5. Oh yeah, Obama is exactly like Reagan
Except he's not old, white, insane or evil.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:19 PM
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6. Bite your tongue!
I hated Regan with a passion.

Still do.

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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:19 PM
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8. I'm an Edwards supporter, but you're INSULTING Obama to compare him with the scumbucket, Reagan
Reagan was a shallow, fascist, sociopathic freak actor who did a lot of damage to this country.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:19 PM
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9. Don't say that, please.
nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:20 PM
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10. I don't buy that and wouldn't make the comparison.
They are so different. I suggest Obama is a man unto himself and has earned whatever kudos he gets w/o a comparison to a rethug.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:21 PM
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13. Not a good comparison. While Regan is no favorite of mine
that man had some real life work experience and a good resume.

Talking Regan makes some people suspicious--DLCer bought into
Regan and the country is a mess.




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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:22 PM
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15. You guys are letting your dislike of Reagan get to you, and for that reason
you can't understand my point. Think about what Reagan did for the GOP, for conservatives. The man was a political giant, like it or not. Bill Clinton was a huge figure for the Dems, but not as big as what Reagan is for the GOP.

I think Obama will be as big for the Democratic Party as Reagan is for the GOP.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:27 PM
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27. Reagan and Bush Sr. paved the way for Clinton. Sorry, smoke and mirrors is not a revolution.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 12:27 PM by ProSense
That bunch did more damage the country than any group save Bush Jr's (which is filled with the same crew).

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:28 PM
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34. It's not about Reagan's disastrous government. It's about his success as a leader of his party
and the conservative movement.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:31 PM
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37. A movement that collapsed. n/t
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:55 PM
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64. I see your point - ray-gun fooled enought stupid dems to vote for him against the best interests
gotcha, loud and clear...

Obama might do the same with stupid repukes - but I repeat myself there...they're ALL stupid...
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:22 PM
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16. I think he's something different entirely
something America has never seen before.

Maybe in 50 years, they'll be saying someone else is like Obama, but Obama isn't like anyone else I've ever seen.
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Clanfear Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:23 PM
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19. You hit the nail on the head!!!!!!
It is about communicating with the people. Obama does that and no other candidate of either party has that ability. Regardless of Reagan's inadequacies as a policy maker, he was able to communicate and inspire the American populace. Obama is much the same.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:58 PM
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81. He has yet to communicate to me.
Hillary has communicated with me.

Edwards has even done so to a degree.

But, Obama?

Sorry --I don't get it.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:23 PM
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20. Hmmm
~
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:23 PM
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21. Good God. Lord help us.......nm
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:24 PM
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22. I agree with that, and I will get flamed for this, but I LOVED Ronald Reagan.
OK, I was in a different phase of my life than I am now, but I loved that man. I cried for two days when he died !

You are right.. he had "it".. a way to make people feel good about themselves, about him, about our country. Politics aside, he had that. Obama has it, he definitely does.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:33 PM
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44. So you forgave Iran Contra, national debt increase, tax breaks to wealthy, increase
in homelessness, Housing and Loan disaster which cost us billions.

I think a lot of americans want a king not a president.

Honestly do you think you are ready to be a citizen in a representative democracy? Are you willing to look beyond your feelings.

I am not intending to insult. I am truly worried about Americans willing to follow blindly a leader who the think has the It factor. Germany followed Hitler for the same reason.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:41 PM
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53. I wasn't talking about Iran Contra. Stop putting words in my mouth. When Reagan was
popular, I was in a VERY different place. I had small children, 3 of them, and worked full time. I did not follow politics closely.. just like some people today don't follow the intricacies of the nuts and bolts. I woke up after Iran Contra, and after some life changes, but good lord.. my comment was about a man who made a lot of people feel good. I cannot believe the posters on this board, so willing to attack.. so ready to flame someone and bring up the fucking HITLER reference. I did love Reagan, the MAN, the father, the husband. I did cry when he died. You want to take that as me being a Hitler follower or maybe you're insinuating that Obama followers are such.. then knock yourself out. But it insults us all.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:38 PM
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72. I said I did not mean to insult. I am concerned that people don't study the issues and respond to
personality or charisma. JFK had it, early colonists wanted to make Washington a king, Mussolini had it (very popular in Italy as a manly man until things deteriorated).

My point about Hitler is that he was legally elected because many people responded emotionally to him and gave him the office and the benefit of the doubt until it was too late to turn away from disaster. It seems similar to me to the Bush presidency. He made people feel good , Gore didn't and now we are a country that tortures and kills for no good reason Fairly Hitler-like to me.

I know a lot of people who voted for Reagan and I found it discouraging at the time. I could understand people who voted on the economics, because of the gas prices or high interests rates but voting on feelings is, to me, a dangerous thing.

Morning in America seemed to me to be an empty phrase. His record and statements should have told people he would be a rich man's president.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:44 PM
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74. Understood... point taken and agreed upon :-)
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:24 PM
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23. Katz, for the sake of the fine reputation you have, please consider changing Reagan to someone else!
It's not too late to edit! :hi:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:25 PM
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25. I think Reagan is so unpopular here, that people are just ignoring the point
I'm trying to make.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:29 PM
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35. No, it only serves to hype Reagan, which he doesn't deserve. Reagan
was manufactured and his policies sucked!

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:32 PM
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40. I get it, Katz :-) You have to leave behind the politics and thats hard to do, but what
you say is true. There were, after all, a huge block of Reagan Democrats.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:32 PM
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42. I get your point, Katz. You're saying that as Reagan was able to
unify his party and have a big influence on the consevative movement, so Obama will unify the party and have a big influence on the Progressive movement. You're not directly comparing them. I think a lot of people are misunderstanding that.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:34 PM
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46. I (not we) get the point, the comparison is still flawed. n/t
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 12:34 PM by ProSense
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:34 PM
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47. It has been edited.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:56 PM
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65. Debatable for the "fine reputation" part...
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:27 PM
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28. I don't want a Dem Ronald Reagan. Ever.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:27 PM
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31. You didn't get my point.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:36 PM
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48. I get your point, I just don't like Reagan.
You could have done worse -- you could have drawn a comparison to Pol Pot or Mao.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:27 PM
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30. I hope not. Reagan was all packaging and no substance.
And was the ultimate patsy who let his handlers ruin so much for generations.

I would expect much more from Obama and you have just insulted him.

You aren't going to convince anyone with that post.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:28 PM
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33. The Obama Republicans?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:31 PM
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38. It could very well happen.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:31 PM
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39. Please don't compare Obama to
to take silver tongued puppet asshole.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:32 PM
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41. I respectfully disagree.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 12:33 PM by H2O Man
I understand what you are saying, but thnk that it is an unfortunate comparison. It is perhaps the very last thing that a pro-Obama person should say, if they hope to encourage other people at DU to see the his potential. In fact, I would expect this from some of the people who support other candidates, and say insulting things about Senator Obama.

Note: The OP was edited while I was writing this.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:33 PM
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43. Kick it up a notch: George Washington
or maybe Jesus Christ.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:34 PM
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45. ?
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:37 PM
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50. I like much of his voting record. I don't need inspiration. I wish Americans who do
would not vote---we need citizens who think and reason. The emotional needy destroy democracy.
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:37 PM
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51. He's not my hero
I want a fighter
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:38 PM
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52. Obama will fight for you.
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:41 PM
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54. No, he'll fight for himself
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 12:41 PM by MalloyLiberal
And negotiate with the special interests
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:42 PM
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55. You are wrong, dear Malloy.
Have confidence in Obama.
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:43 PM
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56. He's given me nothing to be confident in
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:53 PM
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62. He'll be on Cspan at 4:30, I believe.
Check it out.
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:55 PM
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63. No thanks. Don't need to see him dance anymore
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:58 PM
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66. Give him a chance, Malloy.
C'mon, I know you can. :)
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:10 PM
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69. I already tried
He's all fluff and no details except negotiation
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:49 PM
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60. I See No Street Level Passion In This Man Only Intellectual Pablum
He strikes as a very naive salesman.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:45 PM
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57. Obama's our second best, IMO, but you do him a disservice.
Reagan was a "great communicator" (per the media), but inside he was just an old school "dad" type. He had no business being president at all on his merits. Reagan was just a pathetic front man. He needed attention; the scum he fronted for needed a pretty face. Reagan was a world smarter and a better human being by far than the current Oval Office pipsqueak, but still just a figurehead. I have no respect for figureheads or people who want them as president.

Unlike Reagan, Obama could be a reasonably good president based strictly on his resume. He is a serious human being. However, his communication skills are not there yet (except written). I don't like the preacher-style speeches like this last one. He runs very close to asking for someone to mock him as trying to channel MLK. His other speeches are fine, and as good as Reagan. But Obama's improv is nothing like as good as Reagan's, IMO. In debates, I have seen him score some good rhetorical points, but his style is mediocre, IMO.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:47 PM
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59. Progressive? - This Man Speaks In Platitudes!
Platitudes do not a progressive make!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:53 PM
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61. Only in Obamabots minds, only in Obamabots minds...
hardly...
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:01 PM
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67. He definitely inspires a lot of people.
I'm not sure about his empowering the "progressive movement" but I think he'd work to forge agreement with others -- he really gets people onboard with him.
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:06 PM
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68. "Hope" is Not A Plan
It's a slogan and a book title he used because
Americans feel hopeless after 7 years of Bushit.

If America were dying of thirst I'd write a book
called the "Audacity of Wetness" but that wouldn't make it rain.

Just because he claims to be Americas "Hope"
doesn't make it any more true than Hillarys claim
to "Inevitability"(we see where thats going)!

Hope is people buying lottery tickets as a way to get rich.
Thats an investment in hope with odds of 1 in 7,000,000 it will pay off.

Hope is street people, hands out, appealing to our better nature to survive.
Kind of like our Democratic Senators and Reps hoping the Repugs will play nice.
(hows that working out?)

"Hope" is all your left with when you have nothing else.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:18 PM
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71. Maybe You Should Take The Time to Look at His Policy Vision
A few minutes at his website might ease your mind a little. He is a committed progressive with a penchant for making peaceful solutions seem like common sense, instead of the "weakness" that Democratic politicians fear.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:16 PM
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70. I just threw up in my mouth a little...n/t
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:41 PM
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73. Please, change the simile! Obama I actually like....but your post makes me puke
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 01:43 PM by robbedvoter
:puke:
Raygun was a mean, dumb, senile old man that the media made into some deity...The only difference from Bush is that he was speaking his lines a bit better, hence the "communicator" BS
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:49 PM
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76. Time will tell
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forsberg Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:50 PM
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77. he'll never be my hero
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:51 PM
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78. how sad. I thought we had a higher bar
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:53 PM
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79. Since Reagan's greatness was an illusion...
and he was in actuality a barely functioning figurehead who kept the masses distracted while his henchmen robbed them, that is hardly an inspiring idea.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:54 PM
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80. Democrats have a loooong list of heroes that have failed to get elected! lets hope the trend ends
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:10 PM
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82. Oh! That's WONDERFUL.
Keep running with that.


OBAMA!
The NEW Ronald Reagan!


GREAT Campaign stuff.
Don't give up because of a few Negative Nellies on this thread!
:thumbsup:
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