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flpoljunkie

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:53 PM
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WaPo: Obama's Rise Dismays Clinton's Supporters, NH Dem Grande Dame "resents" independent voters

Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 01:54 PM by flpoljunkie

Obama's Rise Dismays Clinton's Supporters

By Alec MacGillis
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 6, 2008; A01

MILFORD, N.H. -- The pillars of the New Hampshire Democratic establishment had filled the front tables at the party's annual dinner Friday night, the better to applaud enthusiastically when Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, their overwhelming choice for president, talked about her readiness to lead.

But when Sen. Barack Obama took the stage, hundreds of Obama supporters swarmed the front of the hall, surrounding their tables and sending people such as Beverly Hollingworth to the exits.

"I'm really worried about him," said Hollingworth, a member of the state's Executive Council and a former state senator, as she headed for the door. "Other people have been working their whole life for change, and have made good progress. This is just rhetoric."

With the New Hampshire primary Tuesday, Obama is riding a very big wave, spreading consternation and bewilderment through the ranks of Clinton supporters here struggling to make sense of what is unfolding before them.

<>Mary Louise Hancock, the 87-year-old grande dame of the state's Democrats, said she "resented" that independent voters were poised to influence the outcome of the Democratic primary, saying it turned the vote into a "personal-liking affair" dominated by "students and the trendies."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/05/AR2008010502616.html?sid=ST2008010502800

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THUNDER HANDS

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:55 PM
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1. wah

poor them, people and their choices getting in the way of their coronation.

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aquart

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:00 PM
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14. Did we give 12 year olds the vote, too?

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SOS

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:15 PM
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33. The children who dismay you are 18-45.

"Half of the Democrats under 45 said their first choice was Mr. Obama, according to a poll by Edison/Mitofsky of voters entering caucus sites."

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:32 PM
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40. And I'm 63 and my friends

are baby boomers in New York and they like Obama and Edwards..go figure.

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:30 PM
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39. What inane comment is

this?

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Renew Deal

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:56 PM
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2. The primary rules are as old as her.

This time she resents it. I wonder if she resented it in 1992.

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aquart

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:58 PM
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8. Which means...?

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Drunken Irishman

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:59 PM
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12. Many independents helped mold Clinton as the Comeback Kid.

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aquart

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:02 PM
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19. And I still don't want independents in a party primary.

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Drunken Irishman

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:28 PM
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37. Fine, but it isn't Obama's fault he has their support.

Just as it wasn't Clinton's fault back in '92 that he had their support as well.

Hillary, though, needs to realize that without many of those indy voters, her husband could've lost big in NH and any hope of a comeback would've been thrown out the window.

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:37 PM
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43. Too bad...I don't want fookin'

dinos in the Dem party like the dlc. Ya think they're gonna get out?

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:35 PM
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42. bill and his wife

hillary were ridin' high with Fleetwood Mac.

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RoadRage

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:57 PM
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3. Awww...

Mary Louise Hancock, the 87-year-old grande dame of the state's Democrats, said she "resented" that independent voters were poised to influence the outcome of the Democratic primary, saying it turned the vote into a "personal-liking affair" dominated by "students and the trendies."

Yeah.. it always SUCKS when other people push for a candidate you don't like and mess up your whole agenda.

Give me a friggin' BREAK!

Go Obama GO!

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aquart

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:59 PM
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10. Well, that impresses me.

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:39 PM
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45. Kinda like the whining of the

bushit1's were when bill clinton came along and proclaimed, "IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!"

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aquart

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:57 PM
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4. I resent independents voting in a Democratic primary too.

It's like having a stranger come into your house, wipe his feet, eat your food, and then wander out again.

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RoadRage

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:59 PM
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13. Everyone in this country is an Independant

Until the minute they cast thier vote. I'm a registered Dem.. but I can switch to whomever I want.. and so can you.

I'd be much more RESENTFUL if committing to a party 10 years ago locked me into who I had to vote for my entire life.

Be happy we have this freedom.. some countries don't.

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aquart

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:05 PM
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25. You do know you can change your party affiliation, don't you?

And I can't believe you're trying on the "Eat it, children in Africa are starving" crap.

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RoadRage

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:33 PM
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41. Yes.. i do know I can change affiliation.. that was

clearly stated in my post to you. Thanks!

And in regards to your second line.. i haven't a clue what your talking about.

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #41

48. She means, hillary is inevitable so

don't let any facts get in the way.

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chascarrillo

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:00 PM
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15. How to pitch a small tent

I thought we wanted more people joining us Democrats? No?

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:47 PM
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49. Obama reminds of Dean in

a lot of ways. And these people did not want Dean, either..they just like their little status quo with the have mores and the hell with everyone else.

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DLnyc

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Sun Jan-06-08 03:39 PM
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59. I agree. I've seen that in NY dem organizations

Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 03:40 PM by DLnyc

Sometimes it seems like they're much more interested in their little club and keeping it exclusive, than in the actual work of politics and government. Good and progressive as these people are (or were), once they get too comfortable in their positions, it becomes more about protecting their turf than about actually working for progressive change. In other words, they want progressive change as long as it doesn't change the power structure in their local organization.

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Nailzberg

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:58 PM
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5. Don't forget the whippersnappers, Mary.

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:50 PM
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50. hillary had 5 years to show how she

could "change" the status quo and it was just more supporting the established, deadly bush agenda.

Time for the young whippersnappers to show how it's done with intelligence and grace.

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BeyondGeography

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:58 PM
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6. If we could just keep turnout low and limit primaries to the clubhouse

all would be well for our Hilly.

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City Lights

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:01 PM
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16. LOL! eom

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Kittycat

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:13 PM
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32. Oh yes, let's be just like the republicans - YAY!!!

eom

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:55 PM
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51. Yeah, and bill clinton's admonition

about "rolling the dice" wouldn't even have had to been uttered. They could hang on their power and SQ with all the strength their greed could muster.

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The Ghost

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:58 PM
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7. Jerks

I hate the sentiment that its somehow a bad thing to get the independents to come out and get excited for Democrats! Isnt that a GOOD sign? And as if the HRC people dont want those votes. Puh-leez.

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:56 PM
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52. Except if you want hill-

ary.

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Joe the Revelator

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Sun Jan-06-08 01:59 PM
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9. These "democrats" are sounding much more like conservatives

People who don't want there party to change. They seem to think that seniority rules in politics.

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aquart

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:01 PM
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18. No. Majority rules in a democracy. Seniority rules in the Senate.

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Joe the Revelator

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:03 PM
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21. You're posting without reading what you applying to

I said that this "Grande Dame" seems to think that seniority rules in picking a nominee and is now pissed because the new kid on the block is going to take it.

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:58 PM
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54. I'm thinking fascists.

There's a lot to be said for being conservative. Progressives get things done without going hog wild.

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aquart

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:07 PM
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26. "Old heifer."

I assume that's what you call your mother.

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goldcanyonaz

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:10 PM
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29. More sexist crap. DU isn't all that progressive, when comments like this are becoming the norm.

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Cameron27

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:16 PM
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34. Scat, and take your sexist bullshit with you.

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gaiilonfong

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:40 PM
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46. Typical Taylor Marsh DLC response

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Pathetic and expected!

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ccpup

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:01 PM
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17. yes, the Washington Post

has a history of loving the Clintons. :eyes: I wonder how accurate you'll think they are when they turn on YOUR candidate ... and they will, you know. Sooner than you think.

Remember, success doesn't sell papers. The "spectacular fall" of a person who was succeeding? Now THAT'S what gets those papers flying off the shelves.

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Joe the Revelator

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:04 PM
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23. Yes, we know, nobody like the Clintons. Its a conspiracy against them.

You know how pathetic this begins to sound when this is the only defense she or her supporters have?

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aquart

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:08 PM
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27. And we have no evidence for it, do we?

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Joe the Revelator

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:13 PM
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31. I bet its because the Washington Post is Sexist!!

Hey Aquart, heres an idea, if you and the other Hillary supporters worked twice as hard trying to get you Candidate right on the issues, and you do making excuses for her, she might have had a shot at the nomination.

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:59 PM
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55. clinton fatique...they're so

tiresome.

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NightOwwl

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:03 PM
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20. Somebody call the Whaaaaambulance...

:nopity:

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killbotfactory

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:03 PM
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22. Your candidate has a problem when the biggest threat to them

is voters showing up to vote.

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Scurrilous

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:05 PM
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24. Hey you kids...

...get off my ~~lawn~~ stage!

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PaDem

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:09 PM
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28. Is anyone worried about winning in November?

I'm at a loss with the lack of a singular focus from Democrats across the country. Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing. What has transpired over the past week should be raising flags all over our party. I'm very concerned that it hasn't, and that many don't see the opportunity before us.

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Downtown Hound

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:37 PM
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44. I believe Obama has a much better shot at winning the GE than Hillary does

Polls seem to reflect that, and the fact that Hillary is having trouble attracting Independent support backs that up. Obama brings out minorities, Independents, and traditional Democrats and lefties. I think if he's the nominee, we could have a blowout. The Republicans would be licking their wounds for years.

I say this as an Edwards supporter.

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Occam Bandage

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:10 PM
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30. You can feel the dismay all over DU nowadays.

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IndianaGreen

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:24 PM
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35. Had Hillary won Iowa, the Democratic establishment would be pressuring the candidates

to drop out and throw their support to their Queen of Diamonds.

This is the same establishment that holds the rank-and-file with such contempt for our daring to demand the troops come home, and the impeachment of Bush and Cheney.

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Occam Bandage

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:30 PM
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38. Had Hillary won, the Obama supporters would be the crazies and the Hillary supporters reasonable.

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:27 PM
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36. I'll just bet it does...can

you imagine yourself in their place..having your "inevitable" candidate getting some competion on the road to inevitability? I wouldn't personally know because I've always been against the established status quo. It must be how the bushit1's felt when bill clinton came along with his Fleetwood Mac tune! ya:think:

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SoxFan

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:40 PM
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47. Sad

Mary Louise Hancock would have us go back to the days when the Democrats were outnumbered 18-6 in the state senate, 5-0 on the executive council, and shut out of the congressional delegation.

Bitterness is not becoming.

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alcibiades_mystery

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Sun Jan-06-08 02:57 PM
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53. Alec Macgillis is an anti-Clinton propagandist

I wouldn't believe a word he said.

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Cha

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Sun Jan-06-08 03:03 PM
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56. Telling the truth about the

clintons is bad enough.

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mrreowwr_kittty

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Sun Jan-06-08 03:04 PM
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57. I kind of agree with her re: independents but it is what it is.

I'm sure glad they're trending toward Obama since he's my guy but in general, it chafes me that they won't commit to a party. In the 2006 elections, indies went for Dems overwhelmingly in most races. Most indies indentify with Dems on issues.

Here in AZ, we have so many independents who vote Dem but we don't get the resources we need from the national party because we don't have the registration numbers. Independents want progressive policies but they don't want to support the party that will most likely bring them about. Therefore, I don't think they should be able to vote in primaries. However, I do think they should be able to register for a party on the day of the primary.

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JackORoses

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Sun Jan-06-08 03:08 PM
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58. hahaha haha hahaha haha

Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 03:08 PM by JackORoses

I'm staring to imagine Obama with a Woody Wodpecker laugh each time a group of Hillarites gets their feathers ruffled.

It's great fun.

Come Mothers and Fathers throughout the Land
and don't criticize what you don't understand
Your Sons and Your Daughters are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly aging
Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand
'cause the Times they are a-changin'

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