I recall that Edwards took a beating from Cheney during their debate

The thing I remember most was that Edwards was speechless after cheney dressed him down about never attending the Senate, or words to the effect.

But continue the GOP spin that Cheney did. You're acting like a right wing tool.

the personal stuff.

to flash Cheney's lie all over the place. That's one of the last times he trusted the lazy corporate media. It was a brief bad moment in a other stellar debate performance by Edwards. But keep pushing the GOP spin.

never read or retained any gop spin on the thing.

And I remember coming on this board and exclaiming that if Cheney's agenda is an indication of what we'll get from an experienced politician with knowledge of foreign affairs, I'd rather go for the younger, passionate candidate.

....were shocked that Edwards didn't do better against Cheney.

I actually missed seeing that debate, but I remember their reaction later that evening when I asked...

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I thought (was hoping) that Edwards would wipe the floor with Cheney, but Cheney held his own. It was a draw


Peace

Where I am from you shoot rabid dogs, then cut off their heads for a rabies inspection.

Edwards let him run away to bite someone else.

Cheney lied his ass off at least a few times, but Edwards didn't really call him on it. He had a couple of openings where I thought the trial lawyer could have ripped Cheney to shreds, but he never did.

All Edwards had to do was reply with the truth.

They had met. Edwards had a decent attendance record, too. He had even presided over the Senate at least one time, when Cheney was absent.

I couldn't figure out why this eloquent trial lawyer was at a loss for words with this piece of slime. I was so disappointed.

I was so disappointed.

I also recall in the interim John walking a tightrope when discussing the Kerry/Edwards campaign run. He didn't come right out and diss anyone but made it clear that he was very unhappy with decisions made for their campaign.

Now, on one hand we can be disappointed that, if he wanted to do things differently, he didn't pitch a fit and do what he felt was right. On the other hand, when you sign on for second place, how much of a voice do you realistically have?

I think that was a huge, huge learning process for him, as well it should have been.

There is a lot of slamming that could be done based on his VP run and even his time in the Senate. Other than the Fortress issue - which still needs to be more fully addressed - I admire everything he has been doing SINCE that time.

Live and learn. I'm sure the other candidates have learned things the hard way as well.

the distinct feeling he was saying what he was instructed to. You make a very good point about how much of a voice do you realistically have when you sign on for second place.

(sarcasm)

....he is more than capable of fighting. He's also learned from the 04 election. People can grow ya know....

and I respect what he has done since then and how he has clarified his message even further.

He was wonderful last night. He would be a great President.

But I resent anyone trying to tell me that my observations from four years ago are GOP spin. I relied on my own reactions, and I still do that.

I had been looking forward to someone squashing Cheney verbally. I had been told that Edwards was more than capable of that.

Now it is time to move on.

It's still embarrassing to think about it.

government had nothing to do with his amassing wealth. (As though cheney's Halliburton gig and contracts had nothing to do with his being former Secy of Defense).

Edwards basher can't even get their debates straight.

In fact, it was so bad that I think you've blotted it from your memory. Can't say as I blame you.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/05/debate.main/index.html


"It's important to look at all of our developments in Iraq within the broader context of the global war on terror," Cheney said.

Edwards' response was pointed.

"Mr. Vice President, you are still not being straight with the American people," he said.

"I mean, the reality you and George Bush continue to tell people, first, that things are going well in Iraq -- the American people don't need us to explain this to them, they see it on their television every single day."

According to an ABC poll, 43 percent of registered voters said Cheney won, 35 percent gave the win to Edwards, and 19 percent called it a tie. Thirty-eight percent of the viewers were Republicans, 31 percent Democrats, the rest independents. The phone survey was conducted among a random sample of 509 registered voters who watched the debate.

CBS News' poll specifically focused on uncommitted voters and found 41 percent deemed Edwards the winner, 28 percent chose Cheney, and 31 percent said it was a tie. CBS based its poll on a "nationally representative sample of 178 debate watchers ... who are either undecided about who to vote for or who have a preference but say they could still change their minds."

if you wish. I was so hoping that Edwards would hand Cheney his head but he ended up whining. I didn't expect him to out tough Cheney bu to out wit him. Edwards is one of my top choices but I still have to say how terribly disappointed i was.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/05/debate.main/index.html


"It's important to look at all of our developments in Iraq within the broader context of the global war on terror," Cheney said.

Edwards' response was pointed.

"Mr. Vice President, you are still not being straight with the American people," he said.

"I mean, the reality you and George Bush continue to tell people, first, that things are going well in Iraq -- the American people don't need us to explain this to them, they see it on their television every single day."

According to an ABC poll, 43 percent of registered voters said Cheney won, 35 percent gave the win to Edwards, and 19 percent called it a tie. Thirty-eight percent of the viewers were Republicans, 31 percent Democrats, the rest independents. The phone survey was conducted among a random sample of 509 registered voters who watched the debate.

CBS News' poll specifically focused on uncommitted voters and found 41 percent deemed Edwards the winner, 28 percent chose Cheney, and 31 percent said it was a tie. CBS based its poll on a "nationally representative sample of 178 debate watchers ... who are either undecided about who to vote for or who have a preference but say they could still change their minds."

Cheney probably killed a kid or something before the debate!

You just can't argue with Black Magic like that! :o

2000.

for Halliburton.

I saw the real successful trial lawyer summationh a few days ago, and although it was a long time in coming, I was impressed! THAT was the John
Edwards I was looking for.

How could Edwards be weaker at attacking cheney than David Letterman?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5W01mMDwqT8

Isn't Edwards an intelligent lawyer?

Some one attacked me with an outright lie to gain political advantage. I didn't respond as I assumed that everyone would recognize the lie.
Not so.
I learned my lesson quickly and vowed not to 'take the high road' any more when it comes to things like this.
BTW, I think Hillary did well in her response to Edwards and I'm an Edwards supporter.

Edwards barely tried. I remember being so excited about the debate and being so disappointed when it was over.

The media went right along with it.

Stop your partisan bullshit.

be able to discuss it without name calling.

The damage was done.

nothing. It was that easy for Cheney to made him look stupid & weak.

then you can win any debate. I think Edwards was dumbfounded when he realized that he was up against Beelzebub.

Edwards is now a much better debater than then. Are you saying that you don't believe a man can grow and change? He kicked ass last night. He was far and away the best debater.

So what does that say about the other 3?

got his groove back. And how!

That is why he is so resolved NOW....fighting NOW.....it is because he remembers where he came from....and that includes any thing he wishes he could do over......

That my friend, is called seasoned experience. :hi:

Go John Go

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I didn't understand why the press tried to pretend otherwise. I just assumed the press was more afraid of Cheney than of John, and that for John to 'win' he had to be 10 times as good as Cheney.

Maybe I'm wrong. But again, I remember Edwards winning. I also remember Kerry winning against Bush, but look how that turned out, too.

Cheney said he never met Edwards when in fact he did. DU even had pics of them!

Someone also mentioned the lie about Edward's attendence in the Senate.

Edwards would give Democrats the opportunity to remind America the Republicans are NOTHING but LIARS. If you removed the lie, there wouldn't be anything left.

Cheney for all practical purposes lied his way through it and the media let it slide.

TO be fair, the Kerry/Edwards campaign could have raised cane about "Cheney's lies" but they didnt either.

Watching both Kerry & Edwards these days, I think they have learned a lot (hopefully enough)from their mistakes.

God it's been forever. good to see you!

never mind McCain..

I wish I had the power to make those quote marks the largest in human history!! :rofl:

Anyway, point being, if Cheney had really steamrolled JE, that's all the wingnuts would have been talking about. As it stood, they had to fall back on that incredibly phony outrage over the "outing"...

Both Obama and Edwards would surely crumble in a general election campaign. "Hope" only goes so far before the right tears a candidate apart. Substance and experience are key.

Now the media says he's too angry. Sometimes ya just can't please some people.

Personally, I thought Edwards did very well in the debate.

As for the "outing Mary" outrage - they ignored Edwards completely and only got shocked when Kerry did it in the debate with Bush.
So, refreshing some memories around here - Edwards on the ticket was inconsequential in every way - including letting the 2004 theft be known before asking for our votes - again.

but Edwards actually had an opponent.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=981499#982523

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rocknation

I may be In the minority but I always thought he held his own In that debate.He did better than
Lieberman against Cheney(of course that Is easy when you are a real Democrat)