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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:43 PM
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Boston Globe: Lobbyist/Obama NH Chair enters national conversation
One of Barack Obama's four New Hampshire co-chairs, who is also one of the state's most prominent lobbyists, entered the conversation of the Democratic presidential race last night with this phrase from Hillary Clinton at the debate:

"When it comes to lobbyists, you know that Senator Obama's chair in New Hampshire is a lobbyist. He lobbies for the drug companies."

"Not true," said Obama.

But it is true.

And while the lobbyist, named Jim Demers, is usually a staple of the spin room circuit, he was nowhere to be found last night. (He also has not returned a call to the Globe.)

http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2008/01/lobbyistobama_n.html
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:45 PM
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1. Why lie about it?
That is what bothers me. It again shows Obama's inexperience. He sat in front of the world and said, "not true."
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:45 PM
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2. Wow......
What a bad guy this is! :sarcasm:

(from the same article)
Demers heads up a lobby firm of his own name, The Demers Group. He was also a Democratic nominee for Congress in 1986. He is respected by legislative leaders from both parties and is relied on by reporters to be very knowledgeable with the latest statehouse rumor or how pieces of legislation are moving. He is also a frequent Democratic analyst for WMUR-TV.

He gives thousands in contributions to the state Democratic Party and Democratic campaigns. In 2004, he headed up campaign for Dick Gephardt in the state. And to aid in that effort Demers purchased an RV from eBay that he then drove around the state with Gephardt to campaign events.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2008/01/lobbyistobama_n.html


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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:50 PM
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5. It doesn't matter anyway because
Obama lied his ass off about it.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:25 PM
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6. It certainly would appear, yes?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:02 PM
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13. this was spoken about alot in Iowa..on the ground ..and the media ignored it..
When Obama was not telling the truth in Iowa about his ties to lobbyists..and his ties to this man.....oh and Frenchie if anyone else did this, you would be on them like stink on crap!

and that is no
:sarcasm:

its a fact!!

fly


Gee the media attacked Biden for plagarism when he ran before..where is the same scrutiny by the media and Obama?

Who is the real candidate for change?

Edwards went and stood on the picket lines of the Writers strike, so msm is deliberately ignoring him. They also overlook Barack Obama's copying of Edwards words, themes and even jokes:
http://www.boston.com/... well all but the Boston Globe!

Obama borrows from Edwards
January 5, 2008 01:19 PM
By Sasha Issenberg, Globe Staff
NASHUA, N.H. -- After beating John Edwards in Iowa on Thursday, Barack Obama has decided to join him -- repeatedly poaching his opponent's themes, language, and even jokes.

"We shouldn't just be respecting wealth in this country -- we should be respecting work," Obama told an overflow crowd in a high-school gym today.

Edwards's 2004 presidential campaign was centered around the idea that the Bush administration had launched a "war on work" through tax cuts that offer incentives for investment over labor. "Hard work should be valued in this country, so we're going to reward work, not just wealth," Edwards said in accepting his party's vice-presidential nomination at the Democratic' convention in Boston. In this campaign, he has sharpened his populist rhetoric, railing against greedy corporate CEOs who are waging war on working people and the middle class.


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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:08 PM
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16. Fact is
He still "LIED"!

Stop defending him, it just shows your hypocrisy!
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:48 PM
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3. Lobbyists are responsible for much of the crap in government today.
They have big money and they use it to get what their corporate donors want. And that's not good for the American people.

I've had enough after 7 years of this crap with the Bush Administration. Why would anyone want to continue the status quo with Obama?

Or, maybe Obama didn't know. That reminds me too much of Bush, who never seems to know anything. :eyes:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:41 PM
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9. Ok.....
Earlier in the day, campaign officials for rival candidate Hillary Clinton told reporters that Edwards was being hypocritical because one of his biggest fundraisers is a lobbyist who has represented the oil industry.

An Edwards aide later said Tyre is not a federal lobbyist but may lobby in Wisconsin. The aide, Mark Kornblau, said state lobbyists are not prohibited from contributing to the campaign because they would not lobby the White House.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071230/NEWS09/712300338/0/LIFE
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:48 PM
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4. Obama supporters arriving to shoot the messenger in 3...2...1...
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:29 PM
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7. Yeah, I noticed Obama said "Not true", but then he decided against defending something he couldn't
After he interrupted with his "Not true" comment, he kind of let it slide when it came his turn to respond.
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The Ghost Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:31 PM
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8. Hillary
She has never lied about anything. Not once. Ever. Not possible. Not now, not ever. Shes perfect.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:41 PM
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10. Transcripts: Obama did not verbally respond 'Not True'
Here is the transcript for those interested in exactly what was said:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4092530&page=3
...

CLINTON: Can we just have a sort of a reality break for a minute? Because I think that it is important to make some kind of an assessment of these statements.

You know, Senator Edwards did work and get the patient bill of rights through the Senate -- it never got through the House. One of the reasons that Natalie may well have died is because there isn't a patient's bill of rights. We don't have a patient's bill of rights.

EDWARDS: Because George Bush killed it.

CLINTON: Well, that's right. He killed it.

So, we've got to have a plan and a real push to get it through.

You know, when it comes to lobbyists, you know, Senator Obama's chair in New Hampshire is a lobbyist. He lobbies for the drug companies.

So, I think it's important that all of us be held to the same standard -- that we're all held accountable.

CLINTON: You know, the energy bill that passed in 2005 was larded with all kinds of special interest breaks, giveaways to the oil companies. Senator Obama voted for it. I did not because I knew that it was going to be an absolute nightmare.

...


My memory of Obama's response was that he was shaking his head as he wrote a note to himself.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:46 PM
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11. Oh Puh-leeze..depends on what the meaning of shake your head and say no is..
Bwwwahahahahaha
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:55 PM
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12. You're being sarcastic, right?
Hope so. His response above is in quotes inplying he actually said those words ... which is sleazy and sloppy journalism. Unless of course we think we can read his mind and decide for him what he meant by that. Shaking his head may have been in response to her tactic. Going by what actually happened, the truth of the event, is the only way to go.

I am not in either camp - just trying inject perspective.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:05 PM
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14. I would love to see this clip isolated from the debate.
That a transcriptionist did not pick up a "not true" said sotto voce does not "prove" he didn't say it. I think the only way to see what actually happened is to find the video clip.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:31 PM
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20. I agree.
I don't want to trust my memory of it either.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:12 PM
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17. I heard him
He said "that's not true"!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:07 PM
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15. I have asked this since 2004 ..at the 2004 convention in Boston Obama had a huge
very very expensive party..probably the most expensive at the dem convention..

i was a delegate and went to that party and i was perplexed then as i still am today..

Obama was an unknown to most of us delegates until he spoke at the convention..most of us had no clue who he was..he was not a senator..he was running against Alan Keyes..

many of us went to Planned parenthood party the same night..which was a nice party but nothing compared to the multi million $$$ party Obama gave..or was given in his name..

who paid for that party..i asked it then and i am still waiting for an answer!!

fly
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:19 PM
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18. you are so curious, look it up.
i'm sure you can find out if you want to know. the illinois state board of elections has all that shit online. or is it better to have the question floating around?
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:19 PM
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19. oops. dupe. or maybe i should say it twice.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 06:21 PM by mopinko
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