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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:55 AM
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Get ready for the Billary/Carville show are going to go negative inored to force a battle in Denver
Do we really want this?

HRC retrenches in face of Obama surge

By: Mike Allen
Jan 7, 2008 04:31 PM EST



Clintons jointly crafting strategy to p
revent national stampede to Barack Obama in the wake of his Iowa victory.

NASHUA, N.H. –- Besieged by public and internal polls warning of a sizable defeat for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) in the New Hampshire primary Tuesday, she and Bill Clinton are jointly crafting a strategy to prevent a national stampede by Democrats to Barack Obama.

Numerous midlevel campaign aides and Clinton White House veterans, according to sources, are brushing aside lines of authority and reaching out directly with the senator and the former president with advice for how to right the listing campaign.

The emerging strategy — assuming the results are as bad as Clinton aides now fear — will start with a concerted plea to voters, donors and the news media to hold off writing campaign obituaries until after the Feb. 5 primaries.

This will be followed, according to current planning within the Clinton circle, by a mix of negative advertising portraying Obama as a conventional, calculating politician, and positive advertising emphasizing her strength and experience.

The Clinton campaign, which until now had been an orderly if sometimes dour operation, has in recent days evolved into something of a free-for-all.

At the moment, there are no clear indications that heads will roll in the campaign leadership, but it is likely that additional people with previous experience in Democratic campaigns will be added in coming days, Democratic sources said.

Clinton loyalists say the aides are reaching out to the Clintons directly because of resentment toward chief strategist Mark Penn, campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle and other members of the campaign leadership.

They were seeing polling data and getting reports from the ground but failing to react swiftly or smartly, according to critics.

One confidant described the dynamic around the Clintons as “middle management going straight to the chairman and CEO.”

A family adviser tells Politico that the senator and former president have taken a much more direct role in guiding and operating the campaign since she finished third in Iowa.

“They’re in their bunker, where they like to be — their backs against the wall,” the adviser said.

“The two of them have taken over the campaign and are now delegating to the campaign leadership and strategists.”

As a show of confidence about later contests, Clinton officials pointed out that they are continuing to hire staffers for Feb. 5 — sometimes known as Tsunami Tuesday — when Clinton expects to do well in New York, California, New Jersey and Arkansas.

In an echo of George W. Bush’s successful partisan-base strategy against John McCain in the Republican nominating contest of 2000, the campaign is going to pour resources into states where only Democrats can vote and nominating contests are not open to independents, as they are in New Hampshire and Iowa, according to the advisers.

The campaign will also promise to be leaner, more aggressive and more open, according to advisers.

Already, Clinton has begun moving in that direction by doing more interviews and by taking questions from audiences for as long as two hours.

Advisers say the campaign plans to emphasize strength and experience because they’re decided it doesn’t make sense to go toe-to-toe with the charismatic Obama on likeability.

Senator Clinton recognizes that there will be calls for her to leave the race if Tuesday night turns into a blowout, according to the advisers.

These advisers expect some prominent Democrats to say that she should not stand in the way of hope and history — that Obama would offer his party the surest chance of winning back the White House in November.

The campaign is rejecting that idea.

“We are going all the way to the convention,” campaign communications director Howard Wolfson said.

“The next stop along the way is Nevada. We have a great organization there and will be competing for every caucus-goer. Next is South Carolina and the Feb. 5 states. We have the resources and operation to compete across the nation. One state has spoken. Now the other 49 will have their say. This is a contest for delegates. We are ahead in that contest and expect to win.”

On Saturday, the campaign had been heartened that the first polls after the decisive victory by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) in the Iowa caucuses had not given him as big a bounce as they feared.

But on Sunday and today, a series of polls showed Clinton collapsing in New Hampshire.

She was tied at the end of last week, then down 13 points in a USA Today/Gallup poll out Sunday and 10 points in a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released Monday.

“Obama’s going to have a huge head of steam on Wednesday morning,” said a veteran of the Clinton White House.

“ has to make the argument that she’s the most experienced and then raise doubts about his ability to win and to lead. People are caught up in this. But sometimes rocket ships achieve orbit, and sometimes they don’t.”

The Clintons have begun taking quiet advice on a rescue plan from trusted outsiders who will not allow their names to be publicized, including veterans of the Clinton White House, according to Democratic sources.

“Iowa has opened up a floodgate of advice and ideas from friends and outside supporters who have been kept at bay until now,” the family adviser said.

“It’s phone calls, it’s e-mails, it’s BlackBerrys, it’s everything. People have been generally respectful of the process. All that’s out the window now.”

An exhausted Clinton showed what emotional times these are when she fought back tears this morning at a coffee shop in Portsmouth, N.H.

During a bus tour on the final full day of the campaign, a voter asked her about the struggles of running for president.

She replied that it is “not easy” and that she recognizes she faces “pretty difficult odds."
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:56 AM
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1. "Billary"???
OMFG
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:15 AM
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10. I think it's a great name for what's reality
Bill is always there, pulling the strings. I think they have always had a plan to be the first couple to both be President. Hill puts up with Bill for the promise of fame. Billary clears refers to Hillary but gets Bill's influence upfront.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:21 AM
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12. It's not a new "word" -- it's already been used in the past -- by RW pundits
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 10:22 AM by LostinVA
Thus, my "???". RW terms and slurs have no place on a DEm borad when aimed at ANY DEmocrat, not just those you don't like or support.

The sudden use of both these terms and linking RW sources as legit are beyond troublesome.

And, "pulling the strings"? Oh fucking sexist brother.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 AM
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17. Seems like I sure pushed your buttons
I'm just guessing that you're a Billary supporter. Why the extreme anger when someone challenges her right to be President? You don't think that Bill is closely behind Billary's campaign? And, your attempt to mute discussion by reference to RW sources will not silence me or others who support other candidates. I give you the right to any opinion but how about calming down a little. If Billary is so qualified, she'll get the nomination and win the presidency. A lot of us don't find her so qualified, and a risk if she is nominated, because of her huge negatives in the country.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:58 AM
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2. Are they really going to bring out the Cajun Weasel?
The stink of desperation is a repellant. If she goes dirty, I think she'll get more on herself than will stick to anyone else.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:20 AM
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11. the "cajun weasel"

Great description of that pos Carville - not to forget his Cheney-loving dracula of a spouse...
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:59 AM
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3. I predict hillary loses by 9%. THEN she calls herself the comeback kid
except it will sound as silly as the rest of her trite campaign sayings.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:00 AM
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4. But if Obama was supposed to win by 30
and she makes up the difference and looses by 8..isn't that a comecack?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:11 AM
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7. when she led that state for months?
uh uh. that flies like the hindenburg.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:01 AM
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5. I think she will lose by 15%
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:03 AM
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6. Billary..... You are a witty one!
:eyes:
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:13 AM
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9. Get used to it. If they start campaigning as a team
it sets up the winning mantra of Bill had two terms now he wants another. She has to differentiate herself from him. Going Negative and becoming defeacto campaign manager is a bad idea for Hillary and for the party,
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:59 AM
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14. Nice RW term
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:05 AM
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16. I know....
My ignore list keeps getting longer and longer. I can't wait until the elections are over and the people who aren't really Dems and Progressives go away.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:48 AM
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20. Umm Excuse me????
Are you suggetsing I am not really a Dem?
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:58 AM
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21. .
:eyes:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:12 AM
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8. I'm sure Obama is prepared for all of this...
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 10:15 AM by TwoSparkles
I'm sure his people are "retooling" Obama's campaign as well.

They absolutely must get ahead of the Clinton smear machine and
the messaging that she will use to deflate Obama's momentum.

Obama has coalesced a great deal of excitement and it's obvious
that he is an inspirational speaker.

He absolutely MUST switch gears to focus on the specifics of
his plan for America. He absolutely must come up with some
soundbytes and messaging that fends off the "Obama is all
speeches and no substance" memes.

If he allows the Clintons to say these things repeatedly, they
could stick.

Obama must get ahead of Clinton and define himself--before she
does.

Obama needs to say, "I'm not running for President to give speeches.
I'm running for President because I believe in x, y, z" --and then he needs
to give specific examples of his experience that relates to x, y, z.

Most people don't know that Obama is a Constitutional scholar. Most people don't
fully grasp the courage it took Obama to speak out against the Iraq war--right
after 9/11. George Bush positioned any Iraq-war naysayers as terrorist sympathizers
and people who hated America. Obama needs to remind people of what that time was
like and that it took guts to take that stance--which turned out to be the correct
one, in spades! He also needs to juxtapose his stance with Clinton's go-along
actions. Where in the hell was her "35 years of experience" as she kow towed to
Bush and gave him his war? If you have experience, but you don't stand up for what
is right, then what good is it? She practically parroted the Bush Iraq-war talking
points on the Senate floor, right before the Iraq war. Obama needs to hit all
of this home. He can say it positively. He doesn't need to attack. If he doesn't,
the "He's all fluff" meme that the Clinton's are about to catapult--may stick--if
Obama doesn't show that he can stand up to Clinton and defend himself. If he does this
successfully, it's over for her.

One thing is for sure, an avalanche of anti-Obama propaganda is about to fall down the mountain,
from the Clinton attack machine.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:28 AM
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18. Obama may be ready. I think some of his followers here are in for a
very rude awakening. My advice: Get up, stand up, do real work for Obama.. stop sitting here attacking other posters and candidates, and get to work. Feb 5th is just around the corner and he has to remain unburied by the Clinton Machine to win it.

I am an Edwards person, but I'll support Obama too. What I won't do it sit here any longer and watch these juvenile and baseless attacks from the "frontrunner". If I do, I won't be so inclined to pitch in and help when the dirt comes pouring down, and it will, I fear.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:42 AM
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19. If Carville is brought in...
..and it sounds like that will happen----oh MAN!

They will try to slice and dice him seven ways to Sunday.

I'm sure his people are "on it." However, I'm concerned.

You have to get in front of these people. You have to anticipate
their next moves and head them off at the pass.

Obama has plenty of substance. I read through his entire plan
and that's what tipped me into his camp. However, most people
don't understand these things positive things about him! Many
are responding to some of his ideas, but many are also responding
to how well he inspires.

His ability to inspire is important. However, Carville will make
fun of it and turn it into a negative--for sure.

They must get on top of this.

They're going to take a sledgehammer to him. He can't just ride
this popularity wave. Time to get down to business and leverage
your ideas and craft messaging that makes it impossible for the
negative "He's all talk" messaging to stick.

He really needs to say something like, "Now that I have your attention!"
and launch into a new phase of the campaign where he drives home his
experience and his past accomplishments. He needs to joke around about
the phenomena that he has created. Deflate their nasty attacks before
they're launched out of the microphones.

If he doesn't do this, he's toast!

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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:35 AM
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13. Then, to save the Party
Obama should drop out now. Hillary is in for the duration.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:04 AM
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15. if the "new message" is that the country will "slide backwards"
under anyone other than Hillary, I predict a massive backfire. Could be fun to watch, though.
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