I am a WOMAN and I am NOT voting for Hillary!

Can we all just check in here and be heard?

Can we please send a message loud and clear that women are capable of voting based upon POLICIES and ISSUES and not merely genitals?

Can we please stand up and let everyone know that we have fully functioning brains and not just hormones and heartstrings?

I'm disappointed to hear the MSM refer to the "Women Vote" as if our ballots are pre-punched for us before we hit the booths, but for this sentiment to be repeated time and time again on DU is positively appalling.

Can we please put an end to the rapant sexism on this board?


(ETA: This is not meant to suggest that women who are voting for Hillary are doing so because she's a woman. Rather that, no matter who we are voting for, we're not voting based on gender alone)

the first female president? That you were on the wrong side of history?

Just kidding.

because I will vote for her then. :)

Well, yes, you can be president, as long as your husband is first.

I'll also be telling them how I voted against Bush both times too.

In the general however, I will vote the straight Democratic ticket.

but this is not over yet, anything can happen.

I'm a woman and I support Obama, but your thread is absurd. And in case you actually didn't know it, the vote is always parsed in 50 different ways. And yes we talk demographics on DU, but you're simply misrepresenting the conversation. duh.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4005089&mesg_id=4005089
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4005684
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4003025&mesg_id=4003025

....among others.

You do not find the sentiment contained within these threads to be insulting?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4004905
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3983468

and this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3986091

I don't want another dynastic Presidency. While I'm happy that a woman is the front-runner, I wish that it was some other woman besides HRC. She's got so much baggage that she's got her own baggage car.

I'm for Richardson for now. But I don't get to vote until Feb. 12th. So, I'll decide closer to the Maryland primary among who's left.

Go with Richardson. He needs the love. As for using prepackaged talking points....Nobody can argue with a mind that won't do its own thinking.

Does someone need a hug?

:hug:

just keeps getting nastier.

Please, I don't know you. You don't know me. Please don't insult me by implying that I don't think for myself. If I wasn't thinking for myself, would I be supporting Richardson?

I base my choices on what I see around me. What I see is that there are a LOT of men who loathe Hillary. They'd vote for Huckabible before they'd vote for her, and they hate the evangelicals as much as I do. Also, foreign policy factors heavily into my choices. I don't think that either Hillary or Obama have enough experience in that respect. Yeah, Hillary's been to various places as First Lady. But has she actually done anything besides greet other leaders' wives?

While I would be proud to vote for any of our candidates in the GE, my primary vote right now is for Richardson. Unless he drops out before the Maryland primary.

women's rights and still do. And I am NOT voting for Hillary.

SEXIST, through the back f*ing door. Can people get a clue, sexist!

I'm really starting to get confused here, How is the OP sexist?

what sexism is and I'm to tired to explain how this post is sexist. You will have to educate yourself, sorry.,

Whoops double post-still not used to this new computer.

anything against poor whittle Hillary is sexist!?

Sheesh. I am not supporting her because of IRAQ period.

HRC wouldn't be squat without Bill.

a day now?

Sorry, this woman is prepared to vote down ticket but will NOT pull that lever.

For thinking she's sexist

RACIST I SAY!!! It makes no sense but you are...you just are because I say so!

:sarcasm:

off-putting for me when I was sending $ to and supporting Joe Biden. Because I didn't jump into your highschool type romper room/attack gang, I'm fickle? I'm supporting Edwards now, like I supported and campaigned for him in 2003/2004. But I'll be damned if I'll attack Barack Obama or let anyone else attack him. I sent Barack and Edwards BOTH money today. The only candidate in this race that does NOT have my support is Hillary Clinton. You got a problem with that, deal with it.

:scared: :rofl:

I'm not a Hillary supporter. In fact, I'm not voting at all. Deal with that.

...same here. (at least not in the primary. If she's the nom, then I'll likely just vote the straight ticket - no alternative).

policies, on her experience, on her confidence - would you then say that this woman supports Hillary because she is a woman?

Several weeks ago Jesse Jackson was not ready to endorse Obama, I don't know whether he does, now. He preferred Edwards' plan for the poor. Yet, he said he was going to vote for Obama because he is black. Same with Oprah.

You have no right to claim that some votes are worth more and some are not. You have no right to claim that women who vote for Obama are smart and knowledgeable while the ones voting for Clinton are stupid who cannot make up their mind.

Vote for whomever you choose, but don't express an opinion on others. You may find yourself at the opposite side of where you so righteously stand now.

...she's a woman. I'm not saying that women who vote for Hillary are not doing so for sound reasons. Quite the opposite, in fact.

But there were no less than five threads here tonight talking about the "women vote" and how women voted for Hillary simply because she's a woman. I find that insulting.

Obama is just a big talker. An empty suit with a big smile and a lot of hot air crafted to a preachers cadence.

It's long past time for woman president and Hillary has earned this for being in the trenches for women for 30+ years. Hillary got her scholarships before affirmative action.

Yikes. I'll see who else has caught what you're really saying.

You're just a lame fucking racist. Obama graduated from Harvard Magna Cum Laude and was editor of the Law Review. Empty suit, my ass.

Take your bigotry and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Just because you disagree with a black man's policies doesn't make you racist. :eyes:

Yep, I see Obama nation slouching toward Sharpton irrelevancy if everyone who thinks Barack Hussein Obama is unelectable is mischaracterized a racist by Obama supporters.

but, you're not here. that's a shame.

Whether his speeches contain substance or not, they move people to tears. My own mother, a "I hate the Clintons so I'm voting Republican"-type Republican is swooning...SWOONING over Obama. And she's not the only one like that. How could that possibly be bad for a candidate in the general election?

BTW, my grandfather, a LIFELONG Republican says, "I really like that Obama fella". And, for what it's worth, they're both in swing states.

Though we get pounced on ferociously for pointing it out. However Obama's lack of substance and preacher-man behavior has been noticed beyond DU:




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Leave the Affirmative Action dig out of it and the preacher cadence.

Honey get your facts straight...what group in this country has benefited the most from Affirmative Action? White women, that's who. Nice propaganda...keep it up. The true nature of the Democratic party is being revealed each and every day this Primary drag on.

Translation:

What you are really saying is that a white woman is better than a black man any day. Also Hillary has fought for her own political survival and her own class. So please spare me the "in the trenches" line. Do you know shit about where Obama has lived in recent years and what he has "actually" done in his community? The community I'm from!

The fucken South Side of Chicago!


Gawd this is ridiculous, this is absolutely ridiculous. You equate this man as nothing more than a street hustler...a snake oil salesman! He and his wife are way more than what you are categorizing him as. Some of you are so blinded by wanting Hillary in office that you will go so far as to continue to use baseless conjecture to smear a decent man.

vote for Hillary, it is your right, but it is absolutely abhorrent to make some of the claims that have been thrown around about Senator Obama and his family...he's homophobic...he's a drug dealer...he's a dancing smiling (coon), he's a hot aired preacher...his wife is too dark...his kids are brats, they lack decorum,...and on and on. Absolutely baseless and some of you should be fucken ashamed!

:eyes:

I feel your anger.

Perhaps someone will take the time and energy to explain it to you. I have a fever and I'm just too tired.

because she was a women.

I bet the decision process was a bit more complex.

I did see some threads where women enjoyed the come-uppance of Hilary winning after being slammed in the MSM and being ganged up on during the debates.

There was a big discussion on Charile Rose tonight where Mark Halprin of ABC bemonaed the bias shown in the MSM towards Hilary and other journalists begrudgingly admitted it.

It recall Gov. Richardson's comments during the last few debates about the need for civility after Hilary was cross -examined.

But I sure don't recall reading any threads tonight that a woman voted for Hilary because of gentials, or hormonal imperatives, as you so delicately put it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4006245&mesg_id=4006588

(from upthread)

c'mon, we know that.

women will vote for her because she is a woman. My bets are that most women won't however. Superficiality has always existed. Just the way it is.

On Edit.

Some women will vote against her because she is a women. And yes, some voters, male or female, will vote 'for' or 'against' her on the gender issue alone.

Maybe some of us women really think she can do a better job. I think you may be over reacting just a little. I support her because I think she has the most EXPERIENCE. It is insulting to just lump us all in to your "woman vote" theory. As a woman I don't give a damn what hang-ups people have when they start spouting things like hormones and heart strings. Please stop belittling women through the back door. Thanks

WARMONGERING EXPERIENCE!

Maybe some of us (sic) women don't like war. But it looks like you do.

I am not a woman so can't be a part of the "woman vote" I can be a part of the Hillary vote though. I hate all these labels also. I look at her as a candidate, not a woman. I look at Obama as a candidate, not an African American. I don't care if the candidate is from mars, I just want to choose the best candidate, who can win in November and be a strong leader for the next 8 years.

I am not ignoring the historic consequence of her being the 1st woman president though. Its just that for me its not why I would vote for her. I am very much against anybody voting for somebody based solely on race or gender. I think it should always be on what they stand for, and thats my opinion. Take one look at Kenya what happens when voters vote solely on race, tribe, whatever and thats not even taking into account that they are trying to steal it. Chaos, power-grabs, and loss of all reason and logic.

It's sad that you don't think women in higher office IS a policy/issue.

And I truly enjoy your insistence that you are "capable of voting based upon POLICIES and ISSUES and not merely genitals." Unfortunately, genitals have more to do with those policies and issues than it seems likely you will ever comprehend.

The women of New Hampshire, I am so proud to say, DO understand that relationship, and voted accordingly.

You, however, are free to continue letting others fight for your rights.

...By voting in every election, contacting my representatives, getting 3 post-graduate degrees.

I've done pretty well, thank you very much. Don't get me wrong, I'll vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination. The problem is that the majority of this country will not. She will not become President and, considering I think it's imperative for this country to have a Democrat in the White House...well, you get the picture.

the kind of scandals she has in her past?

Someone like Huckabee could easily take the election

Hillary is a real threat to having a democrat in the White House

...what I do worry about is that people just plain don't like her (particularly in the middle of this country). And the Republicans have a plan to exploit that to the fullest.

The independents went with Obama tonight and will go with the Republican nominee should Hillary get the nod. I think we all know what that means...

I'd love to vote for Barbara Boxer, but I will not vote for Hillary Clinton.

I am sick, sick, sick of the DLC talking over the Democratic Party!

You summed up my conclusions quite succinctly!
(although I am a man and a Democrat, not to mention a big Boxer fan)

will vote for Hilary because they are women and she is a woman.

Why the assumption that women are voting for Hilary with just "hormones and heartstrings?"

Will anyone say that men voted for someone based on just hormones and heartstrings?

Did McCain win tonight because of just hormones and heartstrings?

Did anyone say that women voted for Obama in Iowa based on just hormones and heartstrings?

Why would women have to defend themselves from an assumption that they are voting with just hormones and heartstrings?

I don't get it?

On the other hand, in addition to other considerations such as a candidates stand on the issues, is it unfair for people to consider other attributes? It's done all the time. Similarities in ethics, values, likability, race, gender and religion also are factors- always- but why assume for women that gender is the main issue?

I still don't get it.

Romney, Obama, Hilary, Lieberman have all brought something new to presidential politics and in every instance those differences have been discussed, evaluated, and for some cheered on. What's the big deal if these people make history and some people note that and cheer that on and have disussions here on DU?

BTW- your post has not mentioned even one policy disagreement with HRC and once again it is the fact that Hilary is a woman that is the sole topic.

seriously.. I dont follow..

.. but expects a different result this time?

I don't know what he means, either.

as well as my husband, my parents .... who lost their son (my brother) to AIDS, my best friend Anita who raised her two daughters on her own as a single mother, my other best friend a latino lesbian ...

:hi:

I support Edwards and I had my doubts about Hillary. But...the last debate showed that she had a wider understanding of many details of the issues. I feel less concerned now if she does get the nomination. That being said women need to understand that Hillary the first woman President will be judged in part by her gender and if she fails at anything, not only will her gender come into the discussion, but it will be a blow for women in the future who may want to become president.

I live in a pretty conservative town and I know what my Repuke neighbors are saying. Are you absolutely sure she can do a great job? Will she get us out of our entanglements in the Middle East?

It's not WHETHER a candidate is a woman, but where the woman stands on ISSUES. I'd vote for a fucking bloodhound if its policies appealed to me. :D

as long as that bloodhound isn't DLC, I will be right behind you.

well, the repugs did something vrey similar 8 years ago, so . . .

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HER. I want to see a woman in the White House, but I would rather see Barbara Boxer (my senator) or some other non-corporate persona

.....unless she is our nominee -

in the primary..why would I..they only are finally parroting what Edwards has said from the get go!

plagiarism is not something i respect or like .

fly

It's what those threads were trying to point out - and maybe educate the men about it.
Gender, race - only come into play where some specific injustice took place.
No one is asking you to join the protest, but don't hold yourself above the rest of us just because you are not bothered by what went on. It's an individual decision after all.

After Iowa I felt empowered because MSM didn't decide. I celebrated. After NH - because we paid back. MSM - and the rest - here and elsewhere. I needed to pay back - and I feel I did. Another celebration. Hopefully, the behavior will improve and I'll vote for Gravel - because he represents my views (and not just in words)
Let the men behave - and let's continue the rest of the race on substance rather than prejudice.
Cluelessness is hardly a virtue.

Nothing added up about them. That was stage managed like a mofo.

But I guess some folks ate it up. Just dishonest -- I mean, it was Bush worthy, like playing to the fears of Christians, only Hillary's campaign crew played to the fears of older middle aged ladies.

She dissed men and women and youth -- for the sake of a soundbyte and a bit of a bounce. That's not cool.

became the one and only story lately and trumped the other issues. For everyone.

http://www.barackobama.com">

and I am not voting for Hillary Clinton.....unless she becomes the nominee. Than, no problem!

I'm basically sick of the MSM and male members of this board informing me that I'm voting for Hillary because I'm a woman.

Not voting for HRC. :hi:

I am a MAN and I AM voting for Hillary!

party pooooooper.

That's not sexism -- that's progress. That's affirmative action. That's breaking a glass ceiling.

I don't put people down who say they won't vote for her, or who say they will. Everybody makes their choice in their own way.

I'd just point out that if it's about "POLICIES and ISSUES," Clinton, Obama and Edwards are virtually identical on "POLICIES and ISSUES."

Way too calculating, triangulating, hawkish, secretive, etc. for me. I couldn't care less about her gender.

Gender and race mean zip to me. You outlined precisely why she should not be our nominee. We need open government and a pathway to peace, and I am convinced we'll get that and then some with Barack.

...and won't vote for her. Even though they can rarely name exactly *why*, like you have.

She's unelectable, plain-and-simple.