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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:30 PM
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I support Edwards, but looks like my candidate has no chance.
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 01:08 PM by Kerry2008
Edwards supporters aren't going to like that, but it's absolutely true.

Second in Iowa meant he was able to compete, and still not be written off. Distant third in New Hampshire means it's going to be NEAR impossible to gain back the necessary momentum to take the nomination, and be the nominee. I'm sorry, I wish I were wrong. I've support John for a year now, and will until he drops out. But he's not going to be our nominee.

Edwards is way behind in South Carolina. He won that state in 2004 with what...45% of the vote? Well it's not a tight race this time. Obama and Clinton dominate the polls, with Obama in the lead. With the media orgasming over them, it's going to be hard to make the necessary splash.

Edwards simply can't compete with Clinton's popularity in Nevada and the high level endorsements Obama has. Nevada looks like another third place finish for Edwards.

And what about Super Tuesday? I was reading an article on here about how many of the bigger states in Super Tuesday like California and New York vote based off of whose getting the media attention, and not the kind of retail politicking that Edwards does so well. And did in Iowa and New Hampshire. He's got chance in states like Missouri, but I simply think he'll be competing with Obama to be the anti-Hillary and won't come out with a victory.

:( I hate to come to this conclusion, but I have.

I'll support Senator Edwards till he drops out. I'm not just supporting him because I think he's the winner, I'm supporting him because I believe in what he stands for and fights for.

As for who I'll support if he drops out? Leaning towards Obama, though not writing Hillary off. And actually considered making Hillary my 2nd choice right before Iowa.

ON EDIT: I'm making Obama my second choice, but I'm voting for Edwards during my primary.



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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:31 PM
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1. Who cares? It's not a horserace
As Molly Ivins said, "vote your heart in the primaries, your head in the general".

You should support who you want to, REGARDLESS of whether you think s/he will win or lose.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:32 PM
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3. Well I know he's going to lose, but you're right...I support him because of my principles and ideals
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:31 PM
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2. I agree but I reallly like Obama. I do not like Clinton. eom
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:37 PM
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12. Don't worry. Edwards also prefers Obama to Clinton.
If you vote for Edwards, you can trust him to do the right thing. Obama is a compromiser. I would not like to see him bow out at some point and have to leave his votes to Hillary.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:33 PM
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4. You hurt our candidate by posting that.
There are 48 states left and Edwards says he's in through the convention.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:35 PM
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8. I'm not hurting anyone. Yes, they're are 48 states to go.
But Edwards doesn't have the momentum to get it done.

Look, I still proudly support him. He's the best candidate.

And it's unfortunate to come to that conclusion, believe me.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:57 PM
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28. Because it's a fact that DU posts can really sway an election.
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 12:57 PM by Blue-Jay
DU is what it is. No more or less.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:00 PM
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30. You stand with your candidate unless you switch candidates.
You don't moan that your candidate can't win.

Bad form.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:07 PM
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34. I've done nothing of the sort.
I just don't think posting a message on DU has enough relevance to "hurt" a candidate. DU just doesn't have that kind of wide-reaching influence. It's a message board that most voters will never visit.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:33 PM
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5. I agree, and it makes me sad. :( I'm supporting him until he drops out.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:33 PM
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6. NEVER SAY DIE!
I am undecided and support all the Dem candidates. Right now, it's wide open and anybody's game and I wish them all the best of luck.

Support your candidate and support them throughout!
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:34 PM
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7. Good Riddance John Edwards
Progressives do not need a fake, counterfeit, phony leader.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:36 PM
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9. I'm alerting you for trying to turn this into flamebait.
You don't need to rub salt in the wounds of the Edwards supporters.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:54 PM
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27. That's not rubbing salt in your wounds - that's an honest assessment.
Edwards supporters really need thicker skins.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:58 PM
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29. Based on the OP--it was off topic of the discussion, and clear flamebait.
anti-Edwards supporters need to put down their baseball bats, and find a new person to obsessively hate.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:38 PM
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14. Edwards is the only candidate authentic enough to prove
he is on the side of ordinary people by refusing to take money from corporate lobbyists.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:40 PM
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17. Don't bother, they don't want civil discussion. I alerted them.
They're just trying to rub salt into the wounds of Edwards supporters.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:42 PM
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21. Bad form penguin7.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:45 PM
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22. Same to ya!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:51 PM
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25. You sure do like saying that.
Over and over. Got anything new?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:36 PM
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10. He did well compared to the earlier polls in Iowa.
He gained. It's actually Hillary who has shown a great decline in her ability to get votes. It may be a brokered convention in which Edwards could be a compromise candidate. If you believe that Edwards would be the right president for America, stick with him. What do you have to lose? Obama and Edwards together will way outdo Hillary.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:37 PM
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11. I have nothing to lose. I plan on voting for him in the primary, still.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:37 PM
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13. I understand your frustration. What surprises me is that any
person who supports John on the issues, on his major CORE issue of changing the status quo and getting entrenched interests and corporations out of government, could even REMOTELY consider backing the Ultimate Corporate Candidate. This tells me that people are just not looking into the past 16 years of open public records and knowledge on the Clintons, or that they just don't understand the implications. I'm not attacking you (this is more a generalized confusion inquiry to all) .. I just don't understand. You're not the first person I've heard say that and I've even heard a Kucinich supporter say the same. But on its face, if you're voting on the core message, which is populism and a stopping of corporate control, it makes absolutely no sense. Hillary is the embodiment of everything John isn't.

Still, I wish you the best and encourage you place your support wherever your heart leads ! All the best, Kerry 2008.

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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:39 PM
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15. Well if Edwards dropped out, my heart would be with Obama and my head with Hillary.
Either way, it wouldn't be John :(

So I hope he doesn't drop out.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:40 PM
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16. Baffling
People are baffling. :hi:
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:53 PM
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26. Like I said: My heads with Hillary, but my heart would be with Obama if Edwards dropped out.
Nothing baffling about it.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:51 PM
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24. I can't vote for Hillary and I don't like Obama, just don't like him.
To me, it seems like he thinks he deserves the nomination, like it's inevitable. That really bothers me. :shrug:
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:01 PM
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31. I support Hillary before Edwards by a long shot
At least with Hillary there is some semblance of consistency. I know where she stands.

I do not have a clue what Edwards stands for. He will change his stance the next day for political advantage. Look at the way he spinned the thing with cutting the debates down to smaller size. He actually said that he meant that there should be several smaller debates among the various candidates.

Yeah right.

So long Edwards.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:05 PM
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33. Yawn. Done being an asshole yet?
I really appreciate your attempts to turn my thread into flamebait.

Kudos.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:09 PM
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35. Let me guess, are you responding to Penguin? All I see is IGNORE.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:10 PM
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36. Didn't you say you support Edwards for what he stands for?
Seems to me that Edwards doesn't really know what he stands for.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:14 PM
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37. I Agree With You... This Is One Democrat Who May Not Be One Next
year. I probably won't be anything, don't know where to go... Guess I just have to do the best I can and try to get by. If "housing" comes back I have some land to sell and it should be enough to last me until I leave this earth. I'll still have my home and the money from the sale of my 5-acres will help a lot.

I wanted to do more for my country, but My Country doesn't want to do more for me!
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:41 PM
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18. I'd strongly be interested in supporting Edwards but he
put all his chips in Iowa this time and he didn't get the buzz he was looking for. It's too bad, he's made a great candidate.

I say he and the others should fight hard for the next two individual primaries and then see what's going on then.

I seriously doubt he will pull it out but he might.

As it is, I'm supporting Obama and if it were down to Obama and Edwards only and I had the deciding vote, I'd be flummoxed.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:41 PM
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19. If you are supporting a candidate, perhaps you should rev up your enthusiasm. nt
Hum the Impossible Dream or something.

I agree that terminally discouraged supporters should quit because otherwise you hurt your candidate.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:42 PM
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20. Only two states have spoken. It ain't over. Support your candidate.
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 12:44 PM by youthere
Remember he pulled second in Iowa...that's nothing to sneeze at.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:46 PM
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23. He's not out til he is out
My preference is Gore. So I'm not trying to keep you going because I'm an Edward's supporter. Which I am not.

You have to keep your eye on the delegate count.

A consistent second and third place finisher could win it. If the first place finisher does it about half and while second and third the other times.

Delegate count
Delegate count
Delegate count
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tired_old_fireman Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:04 PM
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32. You never know
Anyone who says they know who will win is wrong. All day yesterday, the speculation is that Clinton would drop out. A day later, it's a completely different story.

Clinton or Obama could falter. A door could open. Who knows? Really, who?

The point is Edwards has little money, but a strong message. He has a core group of hard core supporters. I might not bet my house on him, but I'm proud to be one of his supporters.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:48 PM
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38. STOP IT!
You are letting pundits and irrational emotions sway you. Look at the delegate count... that's what will really matter. He's been having huge fundraising totals coming in, steady rise in the national polls, and MOST important, he is forcing the dialog to change. If he's not there, the whole left wing gets left out of the debate.

I happen to think he will continue to steadily gain support, and we may end up in a brokered convention. Which means he still has a chance unless his supporters get cold feet and only care about being on the 'winning' side.

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