The contrast between Hillary's and Obama's supporters on DU's responses to victory is striking.

In the wake of Obama's victory in Iowa, we saw vast amounts of crowing from Obama's supporters, much of it unbelievably rude and ungracious; Hillary's supporters - by no means uniformly, but largely - accepted the result with good grace.

Hillary's supporters have - again, by no means uniformly, but mostly - been reasonably gracious winners, while there has been a good deal of whining and a great many accusations of fraud - totally, utterly, offensively, ludicrously baseless accusations of fraud - from many of Obama's supporters, although many others have been gracious too, to be fair.

I think that Obama would make a better candidate than Hillary, but all along his supporters on DU have - on average, with a very great many exceptions - behaved noticeably worse than those of Hillary (or Edwards); there have been large numbers of both obnoxious jerks and the perfectly civil in all camps, but the ratio of one to the other is discernably different.

And this past week has brought that into even starker relief than before.

Assuming that Edwards doesn't win, which I don't think he can, I'm hoping for an Obama victory, but my desire is severely tempered by the likely DU response.

Get over it.

:D

:eyes:

There have been sore winners and worse losers. Trying to paint all the supporters of one candidate as jerks, like the OP, is particularly obnoxious, imo.

...were not directed to everyone, but was only a general observation.

This doesn't apply to everyone, but Clinton supporters are a bunch of blah blah blah.

very convincing.

Obama's folks have been eating that stuff for a full year.

Some of the Barackies were definitely mean-spirited but the Hillarians yesterday were unsurpassed in rudeness. I've
never seen anything like it. Not even 2004.

And I'm an Edwards supporter -- we're used to being picked on. :)

If I have to wade back through the slime, so should you.

Or is this just more smoke up our asses?

Or you wouldn't have bothered replying to contest mine.

Ergo, show your work if you expect it from others.

When you make a broad based attack be prepared to back it up, only looks bad on you if you don't or won't.

Beyond that, welcome to my ignore list.

How quaint and predictable. :eyes:

Now you're on my ignore list.

:rofl:

Gee, one would think that providing a simple example would be an easy way to prove your claim. I geuss not.

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This will be a much better place. :)

Welcome to my ignore list -- this is actually very helpful. Any of you Hillarians who attack supporters
of other candidates, please add your post here so I can ignore you also.

If you can't reach their sense of civility, then God Bless that "Ignore Button." :thumbsup: :hi:

Is it that hard?

and make sure to add me.

:applause:

I'm so crushed to be on her ignore list.

Really I am.

No really.

:sarcasm:

And I've added you.

Resorting to sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!" when you know you can't win an argument is so 2nd grade.

And welcome to my ignore list.

:rofl:

Join our club!

How about the umpteen million threads calling for Edwards supporters to drop out or we'll get HRC the nomination?

You got that right! Perhaps from an arrogance and a sense of entitlement that can only match one serving the DLC Campaign Machine? ;)

I don't think people are very objective. No campaign is innocent and a lot of the time it's attacks by other supporters who don't like either Clinton or Obama.

What matters most is who can pack the hall.

No, I don't think that's the way to win and that was the accusation.

College students in Iowa and most other states are legally allowed to vote where they go to school and Dems ALWAYS to get them registered and voting. For the first time EVER, the caucus took place so early that the students were still home on break. Many of these Iowa college students parents live in surrounding states (Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin) so Obama gave them an easy option to get back to caucus. These are all legal voters and no matter who wins the nomination, we'll damn well want them to vote and vote Dem in November. This is and always has been a nasty smear that the Clinton team knew full well was totally bogus. If they were in the lead with younger voters, they would have made sure the college kids were assured of a way to get back to campus during break. Of course, most of them just carpooled.

coming from Clinton's supporters the last few days was pretty pathetic.

That could be part of it.

I'm surprised that anyone who strongly supports her can tolerate this place sometimes!

There are nasty sonsofbitches in all support groups, though, no matter which one.

Obama or Hillary....


call it in the air, heads or tails? :)

the multitude of "dump your candidate and hop on my bandwagon" threads that have been permeating this place.

Edit: fixed typo, a rather hilarious one at that. I had typed "hope" instead of "hop".

Actually, I've been kind of surprised at how vocal Obama supporters have been in the past week or so. According to DU polls (not the best measure, I realize), they're pretty heavily outnumbered by Edwards and Kucinich supporters.

At a shocking level... to exclude Hillary supporters from the flaming and baiting flies in the face of what is a public record. There are many on this board who should be ashamed of themselves

On the other hand I wish to congratulate the MANY posters supporting each candidate that kept it civil, reasonable, and informative.

to hil and to her supporters (given the previously week).

I appreciated that very much.

supporters are any worse or better as a group than anyone else's (except Paultards--they're awful)--there will always be people that get under your skin more than others, but it doesn't create a larger truth.

were name-calling and bluntly stating that the membership on this board must mostly consist of "idiots" from "Obama-nation"

No, don't go there because there is plenty of name-calling and cheap shots on by DU representatives supporting each and every Democratic Hopefuls.

No Virginia, not even DUers can be unilaterally dubbed "assholes" more readily who happen to support THIS versus THAT campaign. :eyes:

Every poll had Obama ahead by no fewer than seven points.

Hillary wasn't spun as being behind. She WAS behind.

of the Media did not ORDER their pseudo-journalists to SPIN POSITIVE for Barack Obama.

I don't put any "dirty trick" passed either the fat and bloated Media CEOs nor the spoiled DLC Political Spin Machine. :(

All of the polls are now owned by the DLC. Gotcha.

Don't even waste your time unless you get amusement out of it (as I often do).

Sometimes, I like to see just how far people will pursue assertions that require pretzel logic.

Sometimes, it's pretty far.

Guess that's because I am aware of rules of decorum and the fact that you may attack Public Personas but should always work to NOT personally attack other DU Posters.

Simply put, I'm not rude to "the person" that is another DU poster via inane personal attacks.

It's time to wrap it up with the above PERFECT EXAMPLE that is, one each, a RUDE implication asserted in your post above: "Ladies and Gentlemen, I rest my case." ;)

a Clinton supporter. I'm undecided and dare you to go through my posts to find otherwise. And frankly, I can't help that unhinged is the perfect adjective for you.

Just a thought.

Because the Clinton folks are classier.


Yes, there were Obama folks after Iowa that bragged about it, and posted snarky 'Clinton should drop out' posts.
And there were Obama folks that graciously congratulated the other candidates for a well run race in Iowa and left it at that.

Likewise, there are Clinton folks last night that were digging at the Obama supporters, taking pleasure at their 'Boooyaahhh' and 'Obama is done'.
And there were Clinton supporters who also made a classy little post, and that was all.


There have been good and bad posters on the sides of each candidate. Don't let any group of supporters behavior here affect your view of a candidate. Just see how many disruptors the mods have been dealing with lately. It's an anonymous forum. Who know what asylum half of us escaped from.

The post-Iowa and post-NH behavior of the Obamaniacs have been downright repugnant, with posts that rival FReeperland for anti-Clinton invective.

At this rate, Joe Lieberman will have to relinquish his Sore Loser Crown.

for the last year by Hil backers. You see what you want to see, which is typical. This site has degenerated into a finger-pointing party.

I think both have been gracious winners.

You're going to have some bad apples in every bushell, but on whole, i think both camps represented themselves well.

:rofl:

"People like X are mean and angry. People like Y are nice, and polite."

Ay yay yay...

To the extent Obama supporters crowed. It was because we wsuddenly found ourselves with real legitimacy. No doubt some "vicotry dances were excessive...but who is entitled to throu a flag on our exhuberance?

As for New Hamphire the mud thowing by Hillary fans has been as obnoxious, but this was an election that she was suppose to win.

All your cavets amount to a prett vain attempt to dis Obama supporters from a prett arrogant high perch. Everyone is guilty of to much celeberation and derision... It was hardly worth the time ypou put into your OP

To the extent Obama supporters crowed. It was because we wsuddenly found ourselves with real legitimacy. No doubt some "vicotry dances were excessive...but who is entitled to throu a flag on our exhuberance?

As for New Hamphire the mud thowing by Hillary fans has been as obnoxious, but this was an election that she was suppose to win.

All your cavets amount to a prett vain attempt to dis Obama supporters from a prett arrogant high perch. Everyone is guilty of to much celeberation and derision... It was hardly worth the time ypou put into your OP

in NH. Then there was a bit of stunned silence.

then his supporters would be more reserved.

feared that HRC would not reign supreme in NH.

Naughty! Naughty! ;) <tease - sort of>

I said "It's better here. I'd rather have Obamites gloating than have them attacking their fellow Democrats. I'm finding Obama's ascendancy to be surprisingly restful as far as DU is concerned. Gloating may be offensive, but at least one doesn't feel compelled to refute it."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3993926&mesg_id=3994817

I think that's more laid back than bitter. But thanks for calling me a hypocrite.

I flirted with an Obama vote until Obama began to alienate my community. But he has plummeted to last place--maybe even unjustly so--based on the amount of completely intolerable Obama supporters I've encountered. I thought I'd never vote for Hillary over any candidate, but, wow. My distrust for him is palpable to everyone around me now.

*holds nose*

And I have a feeling that you're behind hillary so you're more than a little biased.

Imo, nobody beats hillary's surrogates for obnoxiousness and the Obama supporters are some of the nicest people on DU, excluding me, of course.

As I made quite clear in the OP, my order of preference is Edwards, then Obama, and finally Clinton.

Did you not bother to read it, or are you calling me a liar?

Stop all that whining and squabbling. We have fascists to overcome!

Let's all try to be a little nicer, okay?

If for no other reason than he who serves up crow for dinner often has to eat the cold leftovers for breakfast the next day.

:shrug:

far greater anti-Obama hatefest than there was after the Clinton. Obama supporters were far more gracious in defeat than the Clinton supporters were.

your problem. Obama's Iowa out-turn and Hillary's flat out cannot be verified as is what will happen in November, no paper trail and you think that stealing the election again can N-e-v-e-r happen.

seriously.

As I made absolutely and repeatedly clear, I've seen both good and bad behaviour from all sides; my point was about the relative *frequencies* of each.

i don't see the disparity you do. at all. i see team hillary post as much, if not more nastiness than the obama folks.

Either that, or you're being deliberately obtuse in order to start YET ANOTHER flamewar on DU.

It simply gets under some people's skin that Senator Obama has been doing so well and has such feverish support. HRC supporters and others expect us to fall in line and except her inevitability but sorry it's not that kind of party.

I think some people are trying to point out the truth from fiction. Maybe in some instances it's more heavy handed (and flat out rude) than others but it is what it is.

I am sorry but no one has the moral high ground in this argument. There's been plenty of mud flung on all sides. I've heard some disgusting comments on this forum about OB's Children, his wife and he himself. Bigoted, vile and contemptible.

So, sorry I won't be shamed into staying mum. I don't need to be gracious to Hillary because I do not believe in her candidacy. I don't bash her personally (per se) but I call her and her campaign out on their BS. That includes Bill Clinton's as well. However she has one more time to send one of her minions out to filter irrelevant bullshit out to the press and electorate (like Cocaine gate) and I will start talking very nasty. She and Bill have far too many skeletons in their own closets to be playing that game.

I call everyone out, no one is exempt from my wrath!

Some Obama supporters are ridiculous! Trolls?

it's the Hillbots that were rude and the Hillary supporters stating the Obama supporters were rude. Because I am neutral and don't have a pick, my observation is that the Obama supporters (the loudest ones) were the rudest. I'm not saying the Hillary supporters weren't rude, just that the Obama's were ruder. And they've been that way since the campaign started. The truth hurts, I know.

As long as it's honest!

However there's been some very dishonest things put forth in these forums. I have a huge problem with that and I'll keep talking about it!