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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 06:40 PM
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Rasmussen: What Happened to Polls In New Hampshire?
What Happened to Polls In New Hampshire?
Wednesday, January 09, 2008

....First, there may truly have been very late changes in the race. Hillary’s tearing-up moment may have played a role (another powerful moment came in the debate on Saturday night where the only woman in the race reminded everyone that she embodies change). There is some evidence to support this theory, even if we only recognize it in hindsight.

In Rasmussen Reports polling, our final trend was in Clinton’s direction -— our tracking poll showed Obama’s lead declining from 10-points following the Sunday interviews to seven points after the Monday night calls. Extrapolating that trend another day would have pointed to a much closer race. Additionally, the Rasmussen Reports surveys showed that Clinton supporters were somewhat more certain that they would stick with their candidate than supporters of Obama or Edwards. If this is the case, why didn’t the late trend get more notice? Perhaps because few other firms polled on Monday night. So, the last polls reported by many continued to show an uptick for Obama.

Further support for this theory comes from Exit Poll data showing that an astonishing 38% of voters made up their mind in the final three days of the race (after Iowa). Of these, more than a third ended up voting for Clinton. These last minute decisions gave Clinton 14% of the vote overall (more than a third of her total vote). It’s easy to imagine that many of these voters had been leaning towards Clinton before Iowa, were impressed by Obama during his weekend “wave,” but came back to Clinton by Election Day.

Another possibility is that the polls simply understated Clinton’s support. At one level, Clinton’s campaign organization may have been great at getting out the vote. One analyst noted that “The Clinton turnout operation in Manchester their strongest area, was very good, and turnout soared 33% over 2000. In Rochester-Dover-Somersworth, another strong Clinton area, turnout was up 94% from 2000.” That could account for a several percentage points, but not the ten point gap between our final poll and the actual results.

The problem may also have resulted from the greatest challenge in polling -- determining who will actually show up and vote. This is especially difficult in a Primary Election. It is possible, perhaps likely, that the polling models used by Rasmussen Reports and others did not account for the very high turnout experienced in New Hampshire. Rasmussen Reports normally screens out people with less voting history and less interest in the race. This might have caused us to screen out some women who might not ordinarily vote in a Primary but who came out to vote due to the historic nature of Clinton’s candidacy. The final Rasmussen Reports poll anticipated that 54% of the Democratic voters would be women while exit polls showed that number to be 57%.

A third possibility is that John McCain may have taken some independent voters away from Barack Obama. On Tuesday, Rasmussen Reports noted this two-front challenge but at the time thought it might represent a greater threat to McCain than Obama.

Given the fact that everyone was surprised, it’s likely that no one factor can explain why. It is quite possible that each of the factors mentioned above—and others—may have played a role.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_hampshire/what_happened_to_polls_in_new_hampshire
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 06:42 PM
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As my beloved late father would quip:
That's some "happy horse shit" they're spreading out for us. :crazy:

What's next for Rasmussen, reading tea leaves? :thumbsdown:
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 06:42 PM
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1. Maddow's comment was Hillary was ahead in NH for most of the year.
Obama got a bounce out of Iowa and *briefly* was ahead.
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 06:52 PM
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2. In the words of many a fine commentator - blah, blah, blah
Just a few notes on the NH race. First, Obama won in 125 towns, Clinton in 104. In those towns where Obama prevailed, his average margin was 41% higher than Clinton. In those towns were Clinton prevailed, her average margin was 37% higher. Clinton's win overall was due primarily to winning in two cities - Manchester and Nashua. That doesn't speak of broad-based support to me. Indeed, I recall reading last night that Clinton has a lock on over-60 women. Not much of a mandate there.

And, in the whole scheme of things, taking out a few of the larger cities and towns, we're talking about polling results in towns with under 1,000 voters. Hell, Obama was 3-1 over Clinton in Hart's Landing, but then again, only 13 people voted as Democrats. So, it's all kind of relative.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 06:58 PM
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4. It isn't like a lot of people over 60 vote
no wait, it is like that.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 07:00 PM
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6. A small point: my understanding is she carried women over 60 in Iowa...
and women over 40 in New Hampshire.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 06:55 PM
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3. I would probably buy this excuse if the swing was less than 5%
Statistics are supposed to be a science. When results fail this badly I have to question their methods, or their agenda.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 07:00 PM
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5. The pundits ignored this poll result: 40% of NH's Dems said they were undecided.
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 07:01 PM by MethuenProgressive
The polls was right, but ignored.
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