Obama is beating Hillary in delegates by 1.

25 to 24. Edwards is a distant 3rd at 18. Just thought I'd bring it up. :)

clinton is winning with super delegates

Why count them when they can switch at anytime?

Super-delegates almost always stick with their original candidate until the candidate drops out.

They count, and you can't wish them away.

That said, there are MANY more delegates to be won. The current total, with or without super-delegates, is irrelevant.

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because I'm sure somebody will soon post something along those lines shortly.

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I'm glad you're excited to hear it! :hi:

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I'm incl. the pledged superdelegates.

Until they sign them off to their candidate at the convention.

NPR reported the numbers you quoted there today.

Super-delegates are various Dem office holders.

Super-delegates may change they minds up until the convention.

Where did you get four extra delegates for Obama and Hillary?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=D

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We know how irrelevant they are during the primary process since they will switch to the party's choice in the end. When it comes to delegates chosen by the people it is Obama 25, Hillary 24, and Edwards. Hillary has one extra delegate and Edwards one less because a quirk in Iowa's rules gave Hillary one more.

haven't we just had two states so far? Super delegates? Can't they change at the convention?

Including superdelegates, some of whom can obviously shift at some point.

Edwards has 52.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=D

You are counting superdelegates from New Hampshire for Obama and Clinton. They won nine delegates from the voters and Edwards four. The real count is Obama 25, Hillary 24, and Edwards a "distant third" at 18.

CNN shows Obama leading clinton by 1, with edwards 6 behind clinton. That's not distant when you need 2000+ delegates to win.

And not even a win. A lot of states coming up have proportional delegates, so he doesn't even need to win to keep it close. Tell me he's a distant third when he's down by hundreds after super tuesday if thats the case. Not when he's down by 7 after 2 states.

What state can he win?

My guess would be no.

for some reason to repeat things that were originally put out against Edwards by the Republicans in 2004. All that voting record stuff comes straight out of Bush's opposition research from then.

This is a red state in presidential elections, or has been since Reagan. The fact that Edwards won at all here says a lot about him as a campaigner. The "fact" that Edwards hasn't done well here is simply because he chose not to run for reelection when he sought the presidency the first time. He did this because North Carolina Republicans used to claim he was more interested in running for president than serving the state. The claims you've made here are part of that old argument.

North Carolina also isn't static. We're a fast-growing state, and the number one source of this in-migration is New York, which has meant more Democrats for us. The chance for Edwards--and all Democrats--to do well here is getting better every day.

By the time it's time for them to vote, Edwards would have had his ass kicked multiple times.

Plus his poll numbers in NC are far from spectacular.

the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? ;)

but I think it's over for Edwards.

;-)

just like he couldn't win in IA, where he's been campaigning for YEARS.

Now SHUT UP!

Two races, Edwards is behind Obama by only 6 to Obama, and 7 with Hillary, and you call that "distant", wow where did you get your math skills? :crazy:

Now if Obama were behind by 6, would you be calling that a "distant" third?????????????

So far, there has been only 2% of the total "elected" delegates out there, but by the time we get to the late evening of February 5th, there will have been 66% of the delegates elected. This is the biggest "frontloading" that we've seen.

Right now the delegate count is Obama has 25 (37.3%), Clinton 24 (35.8%), and Edwards 18 (26.9%).
Two whole states with lots of excitement - but we're only 2% through our journey.

You see, there are 4,040 delegates - 3,298 elected and 792 superdelegates. But, as you've heard, superdelegates don't count UNTIL they sign at the Convention. Their pre-pledge means nothing, as they sway whichever way the Conventions winds are blowing.

If Edwards holds on to 20-25% of the elected delegates (he has 26.9% now) through February 5th, then we will go into Denver with a deadlock - because neither Obama or Clinton will have the required 2,020 needed out of the 4,040.

That means that even if Edwards never wins a single state, as long as he maintains a strong hold on 20% of the delegates, he can force a debate on the Convention floor or choose to sway his delegates to whichever frontrunner he chooses. He can make them adopt his platform. He can make them dance. Other candidates could even be nominated for consideration (Al Gore anyone?)


All Edwards has to do is stay in until Denver!

He won't. That number is inflated by his Iowa showing, which will be the high water mark of his campaign. It's all downhill from here for Edwards.

Skinner's carrying charge.

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frequently

said she should do after she loses NH......

It's over! Let the coronation begin!