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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:30 AM
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Poll question: If you are projected to win by 14% a week ago and win by 2%, are you a "comeback" candidate?
Let's just say as a possible scenario...
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:31 AM
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1. It would depend on what happened during that week...
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:32 AM
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2. No, you're more of a "winner" candidate. nt
nt
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:33 AM
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3. If your opponent was to win by double digits 3 days before, YES!
Which did happened.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:22 AM
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33. Damn your greasy accuracy
Funny how the recanting of history in this thread-starter fails to mention that in the intervening period she had lost well over 20 points due to the embarrassing stampede of humans. (It's a minor omission, certainly easy to overlook in a quest for accuracy.)

She was almost written off. You just KNOW there are MANY florid and polished political obituaries that were ready to go from pundits far and wide, and quite frankly, it's nice to see that we're not quite as silly and faddish a species this time as we often are. The skittishness of the mob is a scary thing.

This was not only a comeback, it was a significant one in light of the media dynamic. Hey, I'm hardly a fan, but she and her people really did something extraordinary here.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:33 AM
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4. In the context involved: other.
:shrug:
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:34 AM
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5. Follow-up question ...

If you are projected to win by 14% a week ago and win by 2%, is it reasonable to suspect you or your supporters of fraud because you won?

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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:39 AM
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10. Apparently so....
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:58 AM
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21. Odd ...

Funny how a dramatic poll shift raises so few eyebrows except by those who discount them and then is entirely ignored when the real results are known.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:34 AM
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6. This is really the point that needs to be discussed further
Hillary won by a much smaller margin than was previously predicted. In fact, she barely won. I can't understand why the Obama supporters don't see this for the victory that it is.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:13 AM
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30. agreed
and i'm not an obama supporter. He closed in on her...but the establishmen t wants hillary...so believe me...that is who we will get. And let's at least celebrate her victories now...cause her defeat in november will feel devastating to the party.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:34 AM
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7. Other, you fucking WON!
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:34 AM
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8. Yes you are.
If you were projected to lose then come back and win, that would make it a comeback.
Now if it's a tie and one side narrowly wins, that is not a comeback.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:37 AM
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9. Exactly!
The only thing Hillary won was the expectations game.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:40 AM
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12. So she outmaneuvered Obama.... She is a masterful politician... good to know for the GE.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:02 AM
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23. Oh sure
But you know what?

The very standard Clinton expectation game will not work in the general election. You either win or you lose. There is no "well you lost by less than what we thought you would, so it is really a victory" (obviously referring to Bill's performance in NH back in 1992).

It is unbelievable that the media bought utterly spoofed numbers for obama and then celebrated her comeback when she won by what was expected earlier that week.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 10:36 AM
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25. Okay - dd she win or lose NH? She won.....
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:50 PM
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35. She is just not a good candidate
Look, she arrouses the republican base and cranks down our own progressive-left base. It really is as simple as that. The media loves celebrities so they have been pumping her up for two years. I really can't believe people are so blinded by the spotlights on this one.

The only thing she is going to prove is that democrats (particularly coroprate democrats) are utterly ruthless during primary season and moderate wet noodles when it comes to general elections. Oh well I guess I can just stick to pushing for the congressional races and pray that Huckabee or McCain doesn't do too much damage in four years.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:00 PM
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36. All candidates will arouse the rw base once the attack machine fires up...
"she cranks down our own progressive-left base"....then why do REGISTERED DEMOCRATS Prefer her over Obama (Who is favored by INDEPENDENTS AND REPUBLICANS?)

I think that the only candidate running who cannot win the GE is Obama.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:40 AM
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11. I nominate this poll for a 'sour grapes' award
pretty soon DU will have entire cellars of spoiled whines
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:44 AM
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15. I congratulated Hillary and her supporters last night
I have a problem with calling someone a "comeback" candidate when IN FACT that candidate actually blew a large lead in the New Hampshire polls just a week ago.

Let's look at it this way.

If you were running in a race on a track and were 100 yards ahead of the nearest runner and barely win by a couple yards at the finish line, are you a "comeback" runner?

:think:

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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:48 AM
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17. graciousness has a 24 hour time limit?
really get involved, physically involved in the process (i.e., volunteer at elections) instead of mental contortions.
It will be better for you and better for the country.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:52 AM
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19. What about the runner analogy? A runner 100 yards ahead wins by a foot is a "comeback"?
:shrug:

Admit it. Saying it's a comeback IS a mental contortion.



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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:59 AM
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22. its not a fair analogy
because its more like the runner had caught pneumonia and been hospitalized.....and released themselves in order to run the race
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:41 AM
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13. other...Joe Momma. nt.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:44 AM
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14. If you have been predicted to lose by 10points and had the
DC Media dancing in glee. She is going down. This is the end


Yes you are the Comeback .
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:45 AM
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16. bitch, bitch, bitch nt
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:50 AM
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18. a win is a win
quit whining cuz your candidate lost
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:55 AM
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20. Surely a win is a win, but to say someone way ahead BARELY wins is not a comeback
I don't care what candidate it is, frankly.

To say someone is a "Comeback" candidate when that candidate had a 30+% lead a month ago and wins by 2% is intellectually dishonest.

Yeah, that candidate won. By the skin of their teeth.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:08 AM
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24. She came back from 12 points down basically overnight...
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 10:40 AM
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26. Hillary was never 12 points down. That's a bullshit lie by the Clinton campaign.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 10:42 AM
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27. What are you if you are projected to win by 14 points the day of and lose?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:01 AM
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28. Hillary loses her lead in 5 months, Obama loses his in a single day
I don't think this is something that you want to be pointing out Zulchzulu :rofl::rofl::rofl:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:18 AM
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32. Things have a way of coming back to bite you in the ass.
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 11:19 AM by William769
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:25 AM
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34. LMFAO
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 11:25 AM by Lirwin2
I wish I could give that a G&K (Gloat + Kick)
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:03 AM
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29. Other
You're a "comeback" because you overcame a double-digit deficit to win an election.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:17 AM
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31. How bout if Obama has a 15 pt lead in polls and looses by 3?
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