The attack Clark threads are working - I've changed my mind

While I've strongly supported Wes Clark's campaign, I'll admit that I've been less than sanguine about his chances of securing the nomination. Not due to any deficiencies of the candidate or the campaign but merely due to his late start in the race.

Now, I have to admit that the numerous threads that regularly appear here from a small group of Dean supporters against Clark are influencing my opinion. Since they continually repeat the same few tedious attacks day after day, it makes me think that they are actually fearful. So perhaps, Wes Clark's chances are even greater than I had hoped if they feel that they must take time away from the grassroots efforts to keep these posts coming.

I can only say, thank you, you've eased my mind. I guess that I should only start worrying again if the attacks cease.

Thank you for getting it!

You understand that attacks on one's candidate really only shores up support for that candidate. All of them! Attacks on Clark shore up support for Clark by his fans.

Attacks on Dean shore up support for....Dean...by his fans.

You are a smart individual. Now, go Ye therefore and teach your colleagues!

long before I grew tired of your silly gamesmanship. I'll keep trying but some of them are no more reasonable than you are. :-)

when he pretends like he's just trying to make a point.

haha, as-if

Pork rinds? Coke?

Nah. Just Cheetos, thanks. :)

. . . . . . Just 6 most posts till #1000! Yee-hawww!!

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Now I know.

After I initially researched quite a few of them and
found nothing but smears, I dismissed them.

And I've concluded that Clark (along with Kucinich) is,
albeit human and imperfect, one of the best presidential
candidates I've ever seen.

Now I support a REAL Democrat !

Everyone should be happy with their choice.

From Dean.
Good to see people speaking out against such attacks.

Received from Kucinich campaign today:

"CONCORD MONITOR NOTES DEAN'S CLAIM

On Saturday, Dec. 27, the Concord Monitor in Concord, NH, noted: "Dean recently mailed brochures to homes in New Hampshire with a headline stating that Dean is the only candidate who 'opposed the war from the start.'"

Pretty bizarre attack given that Kucinich is on record
voting against the IWR in congress...

Makes me wonder which side he's REALLY on.

The don't tell you this is "Clark 101"

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There's 12+ years of voting for Democrats.

By the way, your vehemence indicates that you were quite likely never pro-Clark. Nice try with the username though, inaccurate as it may be.

With all due respect, it could have been you...

Clark supporters on blatant anti-Dean threads all day. I'm not starting a flame, just trying to reemphasize how silly all of these threads are.

Peace.

I didn't catch that. Thanks for your effort. I do appreciate what you're trying to do...

Small people sometimes feel bigger when anonymous so they say the hurtful things they wish they could say in person. The slander, distortion, and personal attacks that have gone on here serve no Democrat, only repubs. It's gotten so bad that a part of me wants to see the nomination over with quickly just to slow flood of bile that so many are spewing forth.

Anyway, I appreciate your posts.

... as to whom I will vote for in the primary, but I'm under no illusions that Dean is not going to get the nomination. It's his to lose at this point and it's not looking too good for the others.

The main question I have is whether a campaign with a foundation built on the anger of Florida 2000 can carry Dean, or any candidate for that matter, to victory. From what I see, things are looking bleak.

Can one that *ignores* that anger win? IMHO, only one that taps into that anger, while expanding into hope can win.

The Democratic nominee must be multi-faceted. That nominee must be able to tap into the anger of some of us, while *also* drawing in folks who are pretty much regular voters and giving every one of these voters and supporters reasons to work and vote for that candidate.

>Can one that *doesn't* tap into that anger win?

I don't know. It may work. It may be a death blow. Guess we're getting ready to find out.

And it is.

But misdirected energy isn't productivity. Anger energizes but doesn't necessarily make you effective.

I agree that it's going to be a 'long, hard slog'. I think Gov Dean has a good shot at challenging Bush if he gets the nomination. Of course, I personally believe that Wes Clark is a stronger candidate vis a vis Bush, but I won't lose all hope if Dean wins the nomination.

and these anti-Dean and anti-Clark threads are information for me. Thank you for posting them. I will thus be able to decide for myself what is true and what is false, what is smear and what is just over the top criticism, etc.

I DO APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO INFORM ME, because one of these men might(I hope not, I think my candidate is the best) be the Democrats candidate and I need to know about them.

I used to feel very positively about Howard Dean, back before most of his nastier sycophants here had ever heard of him, but now I'm beginning to wonder if that was such a good idea.

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I don't know who "they" are. If you're talking about Clark bloggers why they (we) can be just as nutty as anyone's set of online groupies.

That's not exactly, a well grounded reason, to reject a candidate though in my humble opinion. When the election is over, it's the candidate that matters, not what some misguided supporters feel.
Both campaigns have their share of 'broach no criticism' supporters.

But, best of luck to you. Howard Dean is a fine man.

Quod errat demonstrandum.

us - we are invincible! lean, mean, killing machine! And we'll beat the s* out of you!

And uh, there's not much that meaningless posts on a web forum can accomplish toward the "beating" aspect, sorry to tell you.

to this forum, then I would say your switch is Clark's gain and Dean's loss.

Go Clark 04 :yourock:

Anyone who truly used to be in Clark's camp would be a little better-informed of who he is and what he's about. Helluvan effort tho...

with that "helluvan effort tho..." This person's gambit is lame and transparent (hell, my dog saw through it)

and declare, "As a lifelong member of the Democrat' Party, I just want to say that the Lord sent George W. Bush to save our nation and Satan will someday drink the blood of those people who attack him."

I miss the Horse!

the only Dem who "opposed the war from the start," ignoring the
fact that Kucinch is on record as voting against it in congress?

Dean has impeccable timing here...

"We act like he never belonged to us. Aye."

- Skeeter McDoon

and give up critical thinking. I knew I shouldn't have picked that name. You people can't stand someone makiing another choice. That blind obediance thing again. Are you going to hunt me down and eliminate me, because I dared to leave the fold.

By the way, if I thought he could win, I would be supporting Kucinich !

But it's true, you have to leave your boots at the door before you enter our blog. And don't even ask me about the salute....

I experienced that at the last Clark house party that I went to, but It's really kinda fun once you get used to it.

I see the truth: after Jan 20, 2005, 8 years of Shelton, Milosevic and assorted Serbian lore on websites where Rove, Scott, Ramsey Clark, Matt Taibbi, Tinoire, the Arkansas Project, Patriot Spear, will join forces to inform the public.
The rest of the country, OTOH, will join forces to clean up Iraq, terrorism, restore the economy, US's image abroad,civil rights, public education etc and generally having a good old time.
Thanks for opening my eyes! You have been invaluable teachers to me.

Is that before or after you eliminate murder, feed everyone in the world and plant flower fields in the Gobi Desert?

there weren't always three times as many anti-Dean threads as there are anti-Clark threads. don't beleive me? Go count the first few pages.

have greatly increased the negatively slanted Dean threads. It was bound to happen sooner or later.

Wes Clark makes being a supporter easy. I can't imagine if I had to read the paper everyday trying to prepare for how I'll explain . . . . that catching Saddam is NOT a good thing, or that Bill Clinton is really a bad guy, or . . .?

It's okay Dean supporters, come on over. You probably made your decision before Clark was in the race.

We all just want to beat Bush and have the best chance.

But it works for Clark, too.

Hopefully you will join us in the struggle to root out and defeat all of these mindless, slanderous, puke-serving threads.