My take on the Kerry endorsement...

BEFORE YOU GET INTO IT LET ME SAY...

I'm not mad that Obama got the endorsement because I cheer when Clinton or Obama get endorsements....I'm angry that KERRY OFFERED IT UP!!!

AGAIN FOR Those who don't read my posts and like yesterday accused me of posting something about lynching Tiger Woods on a sports blog because they failed to read my post....


I'm not mad that Obama got the endorsement because I cheer when Clinton or Obama get endorsements....I'm angry that KERRY OFFERED IT UP!!!

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First I call BULLSHIT...In his standing if he couldn't endorse his past running mate whom he stood behind he should have kept his cake hole shut. Kerry in his selfishness has effectively killed Edwards Presidential career. His endorsement of Obama makes me wonder did John Edwards do something to piss Kerry off. Did John stand up to him and Kerry being a control freak didn't like it. So Kerry laid in wait, for the perfect opportunity to squash John's pretty head like a bug as payback? I think some people will see it as validation that he lost. Hayle Kerry could have picked OBama to be his running mate back-in-the-day. Why didn't he?

Second, I didn't like Kerry. But when he got the nom I campaigned for his ass even though I think he had a dull game. I held my nose and voted for him during the GE.

Third, I think it is bad for the party because he is seen as a leader and taking a side @ this point could eff up the koombya moment @ the convention. If Edwards wins will Kerry take his little marbles (balls) and stomp off? Will Kerry fans who went to Obama's side?

Fourth...Kerry Smerry. His shit don't count so why even waste it. With this move he's shown his true colours so what ever juice he had is now gone.

As you can tell, I'm not a Kerry fan. I was a Clark fan with Dean as my number two. So yes my shit is biased mainly because I'm angry that Kerry felt it necessary to pull this out which could fuck up the whole Democrat togetherness thing.

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I love the "with supporters like you" comments. :D

can't understand that so. IF my candidate's supporters act like jerks. I PM them and tell them to cut it out because idiots cannot tell the difference between an online person and the real candidate.

Which is STOOPID.

to view this as a slap in the face.

I understand that they may be disappointed, but I cannot see how they could have expected Kerry to endorse him. If he was to do it, he would have done it months ago. :shrug:

But I was expecting this. If anything, it shows that, contrarily to what is implied, Kerry's endorsement matters.

sorry, I just don't, and I've lost a little bit of respect for Kerry over this.

Perhaps I'm looking at this from the biased view of an Edward's supporter, but I don't see anything positive about this for anybody involved. It doesn't mean much to me in terms of who I support, but perhaps it does to others?...:shrug:

What the hell was this about? If he has a problem with Edwards, he should have sat down with Edwards privately and worked things out.. He picked him as a running mate and now he's dissing him for possibly becoming a running mate again for someone else. Yeah, this was a bitch slap and I'd like to know why! It's pretty low class, too- I'd say like, maybe junior high low class.

If Kerry just wants to look like one of the guys with this manuevuer he really undershot it. He doesn't look like the everyday guy, he looks like the everyday piece of trash

it's almost like my parents just finalized their divorce or something....:cry: I weep for what might have been.

I think you should be ashamed. There are people from both candidates who act like asses but they in no way reflect the true candidate. IF you CANNOT see that then you need to take some time away from politics.

and unreasonable....As I said about Obama the other day....a candidate is responsible only for HIS OWN ACTIONS....not those of his supporters, people he doesn't even know, for crying out loud...damn...what an eye opener this primary (or should we call it, open) season is on DU....wb

ps: what is it Gen.Clark said?....until Democrats stop criticizing and finding fault with their own, they won't win anything, or be taken seriously...will we ever learn??

At a time when a united Dem party could have walked into the WH blindfolded, the Dems are finding more way to ensure that no Dem candidate will respect at the end of the campaign. I don't give a fig about who wins the Dem nomination at this point.

I just want whoever it is to come out of the primaries "whole" with a sincerely unified agenda: getting the visible and invisible Bush administration out of all levels of the Federal government. They well entrenched in key management positions through appointments that were transferred to the civil serive roles. This happened especially in the DOJ, DOD, DHS.

Isn't it just ok to say you support a candidate without trying smear or diss the other candidate? Or does that require too much thinking?

Its way too late for that allready.

The outside world is a whole lot bigger, and much less tuned-in to every detail.

Gore went with Dean. So why should Kerry be obligated to endorse Edwards?

This endorsement will have little effect on the overall race IMO.

Just effed up in a different way.

Senator Kerry has the right to endorse anyone he wants. He should not be expected to be living in 2004.

More, he helps elevate the discussion away from the divisive racism vs sexism nonsense. Each of the three top candidates has an interesting group of people endorsing them. We have three strong choices. Kerry is correct to take a role in the 2008 primary season.

racism?

completely, on it's own. Sadly, there are those with divisive agendas. They will try to stir the pot, to divide democrats. But for those who are more interested in an intelligent comparison of three good candidates, Kerry's endorsement allows an opportunity to discuss the issues that should unite us.

Now he's jumping on the bandwagon of what looks like the winning team.

I agree. As a statesman, he should have kept his piehole shut. He's just solidified his image as a flip-flopping, wind-surfing loser.

...attention. Why the Repub talking points??

What are you referring to there?

Who fought for his own election in 2004? Edwards? Afterwards?

After all, Kerry did get his ass beat in 2004-- a year where the Dems should have won by large margins.

An endorsement from Kerry is a bit like getting a nod from Walter Mondale.

that Obama might offer kerry a cabinet position.

but his rhetoric which is obviously pandering to the further-left side of the Dem party. He knew he wouldn't win taking the same tack as Obama and Hillary even though his record and last POTUS run were similar.

He also was suspicious of Bush from the beginning re Iraq and when interviewed over the vote to allow Bush into Adghanistan in 2001 he specifically said that it was limited power and would not allow Bush to go into Iraq. (He actually mentioned this early on, I believe it was because he knew the neocon intentions.

I took heart from that and figured Kerry would be a firewall to keep Bush from invading Iraq. However he later voted for IWR

If Kerry were more outspoken and had said upfront "I think Bush is planning to find a pretext to invade Iraq, this will take us off focus and create a disaster for us and the Iraqis" he might have seemed crazy at the time but he would have given gullible citizens forewarning.

Kerry knows a lot and has consistently worked on the good side--but he doesn't go in for the political kill. I think he did earlier in his career.

and he's qualified! If Hillary wins...I would hope that she would select him for an important post. I was answering as to WHY...not if he deserves it or if that's good or bad. So we agree! :)

Just as Gore made a mistake with Lieberman, Kerry did with Edwards.

Edwards was an awful VP candidate. It was apparent he was running for President when he should have been VP candidate.

By Kerry choosing Obama, it's not his fault that Edwards can't swim on his own as Presidential candidate. He's way behind, he's almost out of money and he will drop out on February 6th.

But most of all, Edwards couldn't lick Kerry's boots in terms of accomplishments and personal integrity. There...I said it.

to do that to someone you campaigned with so vigorously. It almost makes the endorsement "less" than it could have been...he should have at least waited to see how the next round of states went.

...timing on this. He's following this and being very careful on the timing.

I would look at it slightly differently. Edwards blamed Kerry for "not fighting back." It was probably half true at best. Also, he might have waited for Edwards to drop out. Edwards didn't, so Kerry went ahead with it anyway.

I don't buy that it fucks anything up. Did Gore endorsing Dean fuck anything up long term? No. Kerry has a connection to Obama and Hillary stabbed him in the back. It's really not that big a deal.

I am sooooo, confused with all of these theories.

He thinks the best way to fight the Clinton corruption is with Obama. It's that simple.

And he feels that Obama is the best choice for our country. As far as I can tell, Kerry didn't shit on Edwards, he just endorsed someone else.

he's an asshole & this is assholery.

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Kerry endorse Obama 2008

that's all i need to know about kerry's patriotism & his doing the right thing for americans. i say bullshit!

how exactly did Kerry stop him considering there were candidates from other parties fighting?

IT's kinda like I don't support the war but support the troops.

It's very intellectual. It may not be down @ your level. :rol:

I had to do it. You opened the door.

Everyone always picks one over the other, and everyone gets together and makes up at the convention.

if you believe it's irrelevant, why are you angry?

irrelevant are good.

Clark ain't in no elected office. He can do WTF he wants. It's like YOU endorsing someone. It's like my mama or Andrew Young or Jessie Jackson. Who cares they are private citizens.

I can't believe this is so difficult.

If you're speaking STRICTLY about "party unity" then it doesn't matter if Lieberman was a "bushbot" or whatever else - if Kerry endorsing a contested presidential primary is "bad for the party," then did you also oppose his endorsement of Lamont prior to CT's Senate primary? Because pretty much every major Dem politician endorsed Lieberman prior to the primary, so Kerry was "against party unity." But you know what? He followed his CONSCIENCE, not some "party unity" bullshit line, and stood nearly alone. I'll take personal convictions over consideration for the Party any day of the week.

That sums this little shitstorm up nicely. :thumbsup:

One of the elder statesmen in our party is Bill Clinton. I understand he has to take a side, but he abandoned the former role by being so very much Against Obama recently. Therefore I see no reason somebody like Kerry cant endorse Obama, especially when a our true elder statesmen is very partisan in this fight.

who went sailboarding during the August swiftboat campaign.

here are some insights about one of the greatest Senators ever: A true progressive, from day one in the Senate.

seriously though, why does this make you so angry? all kinds of pols are endorsing people, why should he be any different? i don't think he owes john anything.

that said i doubt his endorsement is going to mean much one way or the other. other than political junkies here who is gonna give a shit?

If he was endorsing Hillary it wouldn't matter either.

Let's not forget. Kerry is a loser, whether we like it or not.

I now have a whole slew of Obama propagandists on ignore, but reasoned, intelligent, sensitive, and ethical comments like yours do more for my willingness to stay in the Democratic party than any fear of Republican evil. Thanks for posting.

Just wondering...

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She didn't like the Obama-MLK comparison, so she decided to take it out on MLK.

:rofl:

what the hell was she thinking?

I really want to see it all in context.

Kerry endorsed the person who he will still have to work with in the Senate once he (Obama) loses.

I expected him to endorse Edwards so I can't figure out any other reason for that endorsement.

i am having a hard time understanding this endorsement

And this agreement has nothing to do with Obama.

but I bet this will be forgotten next week

It's the silly season.

I worked long and hard to forgive you for what you did to us on that November morning. I had to remind myself to be angry at the ones who stole our democracy, not the ones who were complicit in its stealing. But my heart was broken and it has taken years to heal. I've watched what you've done in the Senate and so many of the things you've done were good and worthy, just as your actions were prior to November 4th, but on that day, for as inexplicable reason as Chief Justice Warren must have had on his day of capitulation, you were forever tarnished, destroyed.





I've watched and I've been able to build my respect for you back to a decent level. I've often said since, that I do not begrudge you your senate seat and in fact, am grateful that such a statesman, no matter how badly tarnished can still be such a useful person. And really, isn't the best any of us can really be?





There was no need for you to endorse a candidate. In fact, there was a strong need for you to continue your work quietly and to stay out of this fray. It isn't your fight nor do you any longer have the right to fight in this arena. In dog training parlance, you've already shown belly. Don't remind us. I don't know why you did what you did that day and I've mostly made piece with it but to have you interject yourself into a fight that isn't yours brings me back to that day when you, our war hero, showed belly and crawled away. I'm crying again, with the memory of the rage and the humiliation and the betrayal I felt for myself but also for all of us. I wish you had just stayed where you've been doing such good work and just stayed out of this fight. It isn't your fight anymore, ever again.





Don't tell me who to fight for and who to vote for! That I might end up fighting for and voting for Obama is neither here nor there! And it is not your business to even speak to me anymore. I've stayed on your lists because there was good stuff coming out of them and I'm sure there still will be but I don't wish to here it from you anymore. Whether you realize it or not, the Republicans may have stolen many an election in 2004 but it was you who stole our hope.





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