I am voting ABC - Anybody But Clinton

Hillary has endorsed the apartheid wall, so there is no hope for mid-east peace under her.

She refuses to give a time-table for an end to the war in iraq, so she is planning to keep that going till we are drowning in blood and bankrupt.

She is however willing to give us national health care.

Perhaps no one told her, all she needs to do is run for Secretary of Health & Human services...she has my undivided support for that.

pull most troops out.

we don't elect Presidents to carry the party positions into the white house.

We elect presidents to provide strong leadership and lead us into progress.

But by "Crying on National Television"? No thank you. That stunt only showed me that she's not cut out to be the President. Of course then there's all the other problems I see with her. She's talked out both sides of her mouth with regards to Iraq. She's the biggest sponsored candidate from the defense industry (the military industrial complex). She's expressed a position with regards to Iran that aligns herself with the traditionally anti-American Bushco doctrine of preemptive attack. Not to mention that this union member won't consider anyone who worked in any upper management capacity for the American job and local business destroyer WalMart. What's Hillary's position on NAFTA and other wage and job and locoal business destroying globalization policies?

If you want another President who's in bed with the military industrial complex (status quo), and who's first for big business before the working class person. Then Hillary would be a choice for you. But no way if you wish to see the little guy regain some ground from being exploited and ignored and his/her job tossed around like it was nothing but some plaything for the filthy rich.


A presidential candidate crying because it appears she wasn't getting her way? What next? Begging on hands and knees to the mean old other leaders in the world because they don't agree with us?

**shakes head**

and she was roundly criticized by the MSM and the Republicans. All she asked for was that the appropriate members of Congress be given a "plan" for SAFE redeplyment and withdraw. Now all of a sudden everyone else wants a plan but HC is a "warmongerer."

Behind today's events and the feelings many DUers on this board, the Dems will be fractured beyond repair once the primary is over. They win again!

"I'll sit with the generals and we'll discuss troop withdrawals over coffee"...doesn't cut it.

What a the benchmarks for withdrawal Madam President ? Or do you not know ?

Hillary absolutely was not the first to work towards getting an exit strategy. She fought all of it, until it became clear Democrats weren't going to elect a "stay the course" Dem.

insurance?

Have a nice day.

also, last time I checked I didn't need your permission to post here.

Its a free a country and an open discussion forum...you know ?

And we wonder why our country is in trouble.

She's pro women's/children's causes.
She'll get the troops out as soon as possible, carefully and responsibily, not leaving our civilian workers or the Iraqis who sided with the US in the lurch.
She stands for equal rights.
She is cognizant of the economy in freefall.
She knows how the government works.
She is a world traveler and has favorable contacts everywhere.
She sees the middle class as needing help.
She understands that we are ALL living on this planet that is hanging in space, and we damn well better start realizing it and making some changes. When it goes down we ALL go down.

So I find "anybody but Clinton" a ridiculous statement.

Now I could understand "anybody but a Bush, McCain, Huckabee, Romney, Guiliani, etc.
That makes some sense.

All those things you say she is for she will never complete

oh and she is the ONLY Democratic candidate that will refuse to do away with DOMA

SO equal rights my butt

Than the other candidates.

And I have no idea why you say she will refuse to do away with DOMA. I think she's by far the strongest for GLBT rights, and most likely to do away with Do Ask/Don't Tell. I'm guessing Obama won't go there, since he won't be a position to cross the uniformed leadership.

that so many of the Hillary supporters here try to conveniently overlook.

why are so many DUers unable to see this? She stands for many admirable things, and would make an above average president. But she's the only candidate in the field that excites and mobilizes the GOP base. How can our party nominate her knowing this? If we nominate her, we deserve another 8 years of GOP rule.

blaming ANY criticism of Hillary on Obama, even when the poster specifically says ANYBODY, not Obama.

Geeze, Barak must have you really scared.

and alexander did not go anywhere in his bid to become president.....We all laughed our asses off because wew too used the ABC and we said it meant A Bad Campaign......

you'll go Huckabee?

over anybody the Republicans nominate. She's not my candidate of choice, but she will be far better for this country than Huck, Mac, or any of the others on the (R) side.

Far better? Nope.

I HATE the lesser of two evils.

A Democratic president, even if centrist, with a Democratic House and Senate would be a dream after years of Republican control.

If you want to elect more Democrats, cut this vile cancer out of the party.

*Warning, candidate is really a Republican.

Get real.

about a complex and very changing situation over a year in advance is a sign that you will take one particular path in direct contradiction to all your speeches, proposals and election materials?

Why isn't it just a sign that she's not stupid enough to make guarantees about things that are guaranteed only to change? She's said she'll end teh war. I think she will. Guaranteeing specifics this far in advance is either dishonest or stupid.

"Peace with honor."

I've got an idea. Give the collaboraters 3 months to make arrangements, then get the fuck out. It will save THOUSANDS of lives.

The longer we stay, the more hatred is engendered.

If we had left the day after capturing Saddam, we could have saved 3000 US lives, and somewhere in the neighborhood of half a million Iraqis. They were ready for us to go, right then, because that is what we said we were there for. When we didn't go, the insurgency expanded ten-fold.

The Iraqis are not pitiable savages that need us there to show them how to make things work. We leave, they'll do it on their own. There is NO reason for us to not be gone right now.

She should recognise that.

When I see posts like yours, I'm inclined to NOT post anything positive in the candidate you've chosen. Barack or John?

ON EDIT: I would also wager it's a reincarnation.

Not "her" again :rofl:

neither of them divides people the way she does.

Why do you think she came in third in Iowa, people just can't get themselves to vote for her, having hated her for so long.

n/t

his following into a mob.

But, I'll vote for him in the GE if he's our nominee.

I support Edwards but I'd prefer Clinton over Obama anyday.

"I am a dancer with fake assets but a real attitude. If you don't like either, stay home and save your money.

Its all or nothing buster !" :rofl:

please invalidate my statements with supportive facts.

(hot tip -> don't blabber just to make noise, show substance).

She refuses to give a time-table for an end to the war in iraq, so she is planning to keep that going till we are drowning in blood and bankrupt.

Complete BS, unless you can prove otherwise.

at least be honest

Just want to be clear.

She was a polarizing figure to begin with, and now her positions have made it obvious to me that she will not be able to get anything done.

Yes she will be a symbolic first woman president, that's not enough to hang my hat on...or my clothes on, in my case.

I don't believe right-wing talking points should be welcome on DU, in fairness to all our candidates. This is not Free Republic. In my opinion, the only thing polarizing about Hillary is her popularity, here and abroad. If I am not mistaken, her popularity is only second to Oprah Winfrey, which is a remarkable thing. That's polarizing all right, especially to the people who oppose her. The Clintons are, probably, our most popular couple ever. Bush has to have 10,000 guards to go to the Middle East. Does anyone here know how many Bill Clinton had to have?

I hope we at DU recognize that most Dems aren't, well, as rabidly Dem as we are-- they're Democrat-leaning but not Democrat-automatic. And the Hillary campaign's latest behavior is pushing them away in droves.

But I'll probably favor Mitt or McCain if it is one of them against Hill.

If John or Barack is the nominee, I'll vote dem period.

Wow, she is that bad, huh? Good luck!

on edit: Perhaps you should change your avatar to a McCain or Mitt if she wins the nomination and run agains one of the two.

People don't seem to understand that she is not Bill & this is the first time she has had to actually fight an election.

I don't share your views, but I can respect your position.

You got game girl !

:shrug:

She refuses to give a time-table for an end to the war in iraq, so she is planning to keep that going till we are drowning in blood and bankrupt.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/iraq/

Next?

when Edwards said he had made a mistake.

If she does have a plan to end it, it is a waffling position at best.

I'm glad she isn't kissing your ass and begging forgiveness.

in a civil discussion.

Btw using a candidate's website as an authoritative source of information is not credible.

I can see why she called you a blabberer, you can't win by reason so you verbally attack people.

Btw using a candidate's website as an authoritative source of information is not credible.

When you're discussing that candidate's position, it is.

I can see why she called you a blabberer, you can't win by reason so you verbally attack people.

The problem with discussing anything with the "my way or the highway" crowd is you just can't stay on topic. You went from Hillary's plan for getting out of Iraq whining again with the same spill about her Iraq vote. To top it off, you equate the figure of speech "kiss you ass," meaning pander, bow, and scrape with a verbal attack. :eyes:

but leave some behind. Recently she's said all of the troops. As for healthcare, she's going to offer us up to big insurance on a platter with her mandatory edict. The woman really doesn't get it.

Hillary is forcing Americans to buy their own Private Insurance from "For Profit" Insurance Corporations.

Hillary does NOT have a HealthCare Plan, she has a Mandatory Health Insurance Plan....BIG difference.

I used to be a major Clinton supporter all the way up through her Senate run in 2000. Even though she went down to defeat with that health care plan in 1994, I still admired her for the way she had the guts to stand up to the insurance companies.

But now, Hillary just seems to be all capitulation, all the time, to the big business interests she had once been interested in checking. Even on health insurance, she's caved in. As opposed to someone like John Edwards, who is determined to stand up for the people.

I will never support Hillary. She is no different from a repig on the war, and I am not ready to go back and relive the 90's and all of the distractions and bullshit that would come along with another Clinton WH.

Clinton winning the nom will be the death of this party as we know it currently. There would be a purge, and then some from of realignment, after we went for broke and got dominated by the Rep in the election.

No thanks. Time for some new blood.

But I'm more ABO than ABC. So shoot me.

Independent Special Prosecutor to investigate and where appropriate indict try and convict those responsible for the Frauds Felonies and Treason of the last 7 years: Then she has my vote.

And also an immediate end to domestic spying with full disclosure of all surveillance records. Nothing less is satisfactory.

Just so NO! to HRC...

thrown in for the masses.

She screwed up with her Iraq vote and refuses to reconsider.

If it weren't for women of all stripes clamoring to see a woman president, she would have polled well below #2.

Just wait until we get to a state where independants can't vote in the dem primary, you'll see how viable she really is.

I can see why and how we in Ohio got stuck with Taft and went for Bush twice. You might just have the honor of voting McCain this time around.

I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was an honest mistake, poetic license or just a figure of speech.

The anger at Hillary now is so visceral, both with the racially-tinged attacks and now the voter suppression, that she's lost on our own base. The Clintons are now actively destroying the party that we've spent centuries building up and gaining strength for.

She may be better than any repuke, but she's not good enough.

Not really so much a reason TO vote for Hillary Clinton.












My choices for this election are (in order): Edwards, Obama, Kucinich, Al Gore, Sherrod Brown, Stephen Colbert, John Stewart, A plant stand, the piece of wadded up gum on the floor over there, Hillary Clinton.

Many Dems would vote 3rd party, others would even support a Republican candidate. Hillary's not just polarizing for the country, she's polarizing for us Democrats, so much so that she's driving the base away.

Primary or general election. If Hillary were nominated, they'd either sit out the election of vote 3rd Party (or even vote John McCain-- no amount of convincing on my part gets them to change their minds). The Iraq War, DLC pro-corporatism, not attacks on MLK, are just eroding her support base on all sides. And thus eroding our own party's viability.

It's really baffling. I think that Hillary supporters are in for a rude awakening once the primaries swing back to the Midwest and South.

but would vote for her in the General Election, only because it means a Democratic Administration, and I think that in itself will be very important (of course).
I hate to say I am 'ABC', maybe just in the primaries. But really, I just look forward to the admin, of all things.

It hasn't since before 2000. :shrug:

appoints a couple of right wing zealots to the supreme court.

:eyes:

edit: missing word