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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:40 PM
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So..with most of the "establishment" supporting Obama..
can we now let go of the "Hillary is the establishment candidate" meme?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:41 PM
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1. Most of the establishment??????
Huh?
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:14 PM
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23. He is just using a highly successful Rove tactic.
Lie.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:41 PM
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2. While we're at it, how about dumping the "Hillary is the media's candidate" meme?
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:30 PM
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39. Bill Clinton has been routinely insisting that the press favors Obama nt
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:41 PM
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3. Hillary is the DLC corporatist candidate
:puke:
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:43 PM
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10. No she is the candidate most hated by the right wing.
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:17 PM
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27. Actually she is both. And independents don't like her very much either. And the far left. eom
It will be a delight when Hillary is running against Bloomberg, Nader and a Republican. What harm could another Republican victory do? We can just try again in 2012!
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:20 PM
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28. You deny that Hillary Clinton is a DLC corporatist??
Really now?
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:22 PM
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31. Are you the new inquisition? She is the candidate most hated by the right wing.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:23 PM
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33. The DLC *is* the goddamn right wing!!
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 06:25 PM by Kucinich4America
You must be one of the rookie interns. Do you even know who you're working for?

DLC - RIGHT WING

Fortune magazine - RIGHT WING

AIPAC - RIGHT WING
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:27 PM
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37. Sigh. Rookie Intern? Where does denigration and name calling get you?
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:43 PM
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46. To some, anyone to the right of Gandhi is right-wing.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:32 PM
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42. That's exactly why they want her to get the nomination...
Because they know she is so hated, she would bring out the votes for whomever gets the Republican nomination.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:50 PM
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15. Kerry apparently didn't get the DLC memo
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:27 PM
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36. I don't think Kerry gets DLC memos anymore
When the Democrats took over Congress, and all the DLC'ers conspired to hog the leadership, they made a point of excluding Kerry.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:24 PM
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34. check out Obama's special interest contributions. More from Goldman Sachs than Clinton
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:41 PM
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4. He gets the establishment crown.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:42 PM
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5. Bill Clinton IS the establishment!
WTF?!
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:43 PM
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7. No he was the first black president.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:44 PM
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11. Bill Clinton's Presidency was under attack
the day he was elected until he left office because he WASN'T the establishment candidate.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:46 PM
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13. Who CARES--he's the only Ex-President currently stumping for a candidate 24/7.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:48 PM
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14. what does that have to do with it?
Is he President right now?
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:59 PM
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18. Look, how can you claim Hillary is NOT an establishment candidate...
...when Bill Clinton, popular two-term ex-president, is standing behind her at every stump speech?

An ex-president will always be more mainstream, and yes, "establishment" than some Senator who ran for the office and lost.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:09 PM
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20. Last time I looked
The Establishment was George W. Bush and his ilk.

If you are claiming that Bill Clinton is the establishment leader of the Democratic Party --you would be even more wrong.
His day in the sun was 8 years ago --and even then many in the Democratic establishment joined in the feeding frenzy to tear him down.
A fine tradition still carried out right here on DU.

Seems more likely to me that there is a concerted effort to paint Hillary as the Establishment candidate at the same time she is being torn to shreds.

If anything the Democratic Party's Establishment candidate is Obama (he of the 2004 keynote address recently annointed by John Kerry)
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:13 PM
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22. 8 years in the White House...
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/DemoEnhanceI_Chom.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/DemoEnhance2_Chom.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Economics/MarketDemo_Chom.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Norman_Solomon/Clinton_Priorities_TTMLG.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Project%20Censored/CensoredNews_1998.html
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:15 PM
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24. It's 2008 now
or did you not notice how little Bill Clinton's involvement was sought in Democratic politics in 2000 and 2004?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:20 PM
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29. I was responding to the idea...
that Bill Clinton was not 'establishment'. Eight years in the White House, and the events that took place during those years...(I provided a few links..just in case anyone wanted to read something)...defines the "Establishment"...I have no idea what you are talking about.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:28 PM
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38. I get that he USED to be Establishment
I disagree that he is STILL Establishment.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:40 PM
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44. So he is no longer connected...
with heads of state, ex-presidents, ex-cabinet members, Industry leaders, Party officials, International politics...
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:04 PM
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47. connections have many levels don't they?
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 07:04 PM by maddiejoan
Do you think he is in the loop as much as he once was?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:25 PM
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52. I have no idea..
who the 'loop' is. It is way more than an administration. I do not believe anyone gets anywhere close to the White House....without having serious backing by those who are 'the loop'. I can not imagine that anyone intricately aware of the goings-on of our government in world and national affairs ever retreats from 'the loop'. Why would they?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:42 PM
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6. lol
Do you believe the shit you say?
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:43 PM
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9. well it seems to always get your attention..
you a big fan of shit?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:16 PM
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25. No, but I recognize it when I spot it.
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 06:40 PM by Bleachers7
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:25 PM
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35. well thanks..and might I add..go Cheney yourself
I mean really..must you be such a total ass?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:40 PM
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43. Sorry
Didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:43 PM
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8. *snicker*
what's hillary's super delegate count, again? And what's Barack's?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:45 PM
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12. Define "most." eom
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:53 PM
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16. sure...
most(a): (superlative of `many' used with count nouns and often preceded by `the') quantifier meaning the greatest in number; "who has the most apples?"; "most people like eggs"; "most fishes have fins
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:12 PM
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21. Now that you understand the meaning of the word, who has the
most superdelegates?
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:17 PM
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26. who mentioned superdelegates..
do you need me to define endorsements for you too?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:20 PM
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30. Lots of people. And Hillary has the most.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:23 PM
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32. I didn't..don't deflect
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:58 PM
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17. OMG!!!
:rofl: :rofl: my sides hurt...that was great! Thanks for the laugh!
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:02 PM
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19. And Hillary was never the frontrunner???
My eyes are truly rolling. The forces of the establishment are fully behind Hillary. I just hope Obama can withstand the sleaze storm that is coming his way!!
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:30 PM
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40. 4 Senators = "the establishment"?
:rofl: whatever.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:07 PM
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48. here ya go honey..try to follow along..
"But there is a downside for Obama in all this fuss. Can he be the anti-establishment candidate, the new voice, the party's unifying figure, if the Dem establishment is behind him? And, Kerry, well he doesn't exactly invoke the same warm embrace from a still-disappointed base that Al Gore might".

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:31 PM
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41. jaysus........
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:43 PM
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45. Let's see! If the right-wing does not like someone the dems choose and is going to use
the nomination of that person to be a catalyst to get out right-wing vote, then we dems should not nominate that candidate so that the right wing will not get out their vote. Now there is democracy at work! NOT!
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:08 PM
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49. WTF are you talking about?
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:09 PM
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50. I think somebody doesn't understand what is meant
by saying the 'establishment candidate'.

Pretty funny
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vee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:11 PM
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51. Not until Hillary gives Obama her endorsment also
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 07:12 PM by vee
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