DU has become Hillary's Oppo Research Site against OBAMA, So I've decided to

that I'm gonna have to start digging up smut on Hillary.

I can go over to the RW sites and print it right here over and over again.

If the Clintons want to be the new Bush, then I will fight them like they are the new Bush.

If they want to play the politics of personal destruction, then I will meet them there....in the hell that the have created!

No problem.

Makes me realize why I ain't voting for her.....

By the time is done, we will know who the real NeoCon sympathizer is, who attends a "weird" church, and who has said a whole lot of things that DU won't like.....and a whole lot of stuff that both of the Clinton are associated with....stuff like DU, SOA, etc...

If she and her camp keeps this up, everytime I see her phony smiling face on the TeeVee, I'm gonna start turning my set off, just like I do Bush.

And why do you think that?

And I'm not sure how DU qualifies. Seems like everyone is digging up BS and ad hominems, not real oppo.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/RuleOfNah/5

:boring:

But posting right-wing crap here about any of the candidates is a bad idea. I hope you reconsider.

and Please anything but turning off the tv! no, please, ...nooooo!

Eight year study into that administration will bring up a whole bunch of shit that the Clintons did that Progressives don't like.

They didn't call Clinton, the Best Republican President there ever was for nothing.

It's the house and lot thing that's rattling your cage, I assume? Did you think state politics was some sort of junior league tea party?

I used to give them the benefit of the doubt....but not anymore.

I already had to explain to my 8 and 12 year old daughters what Blow Jobs were back in the day....
I really don't have to put up with folks now right out lying about good people in order to make these fucked up disfunctional people look good. That's all I'm saying.

That's the second time I've seen you trot out this RW talking point about The Mighty Clenis in the last couple of minutes.

You also posted a list of "reasons" -- featuring The Blow Job -- that were extracts from the DC press corps/RW/Christopher Hitchens jihad against BILL Clinton ten years ago.

Bill = Hillary? I don't think so. Time was, a woman was a mere extension of her husband. These days it's a little different.

I really don't have to put up with folks now right out lying about good people in order to make these fucked up disfunctional people look good. That's all I'm saying.

I agree. At least straighten out your confusion over which Clinton is which.

--p!
Pro-Hillary-Clinton, Pro-Barak-Obama, Pro-John-Edwards, and voting Democratic this fall.

which means she has to take credit of the bad along with all of the good she keeps reminding us about. Why should it be anyother way. that would be real convenient.

Because this is a Presidential election, not a soap opera about the Clinton family drama, OR your daughters' tender ears.

And neither Obama nor Edwards are being called to account for their own mis-steps except by a few HRC staffers, who are being roundly condemned for the practice. The Obama and Edwards staffers get a pass on that kind of behavior. But you can be sure that the GOP will have no hesitancy to swift-boat whoever our candidate may be.

None of the primary candidates are perfect, but all of them are good. Still, if you want to judge them for their faults, at least use the same set of criteria, not "Hillary = Bill = Worse Than George Bush".

If you want to make the case against HRC, I could probably even help you compile an accurate list. But Hillary is a far sight better than any of the Republicans, and even against her Democratic rivals, she ain't too bad.

The GOP is imploding, and modern Conservatism is beginning to stink like a sink full of week-old chicken guts. This is going to be the best election ever for Democrats -- unless the Circular Firing Squad gets going full-blast.

--p!

and their future as well as that of all American family.

That is exactly what politics is about for me.

Maybe that's why I'm voting for Obama. He gets that.

Let's take this down a notch a realize that she's not responsible for everyone's actions in the '90s.

Why are you so all fired up about? Do you believe that the Clinton campaign is responsible for all the crap out there on Obama? Don't because you'll be playing into the Repugs game plan. Just support Obama and we'll stay strong.

Have laid off Edwards, but I think your paranoia still is a problem.

Since when did "progressives"* define what a Democrat and Republican is?

guess not.

researched every which way...four years, four million dollars and NOTHING! It's old news and nobody wants to revisit it.

By the way...Toni Morrison, one of the greatest African American authors of our time wrote an article about Bill Clinton called:
"The First Black President". Maybe you should read that before diggin up the so-called dirt.

http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/clinton/morrison.html

"African-American men seemed to understand it right away. Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas. And when virtually all the African-American Clinton appointees began, one by one, to disappear, when the President's body, his privacy, his unpoliced sexuality became the focus of the persecution, when he was metaphorically seized and bodysearched, who could gainsay these black men who knew whereof they spoke? The message was clear "No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. You will be fired from your job, sent away in disgrace, and--who knows?--maybe sentenced and jailed to boot. In short, unless you do as we say (i.e., assimilate at once), your expletives belong to us."

Voila, both of us are happy!

I have hidden exactly ONE thread as long as I've been here....this would be my second.

Hope the OP achieves whatever they hope to accomplish, beyond their wildest dreams.

And had never hidden one before that. This place has been absolutely toxic. I keep coming back because there are mostly rational thinkers on DU.

Digging up stuff on the Clintons. Friggin' go for it, I say.

The venom is off the charts. What the hell? Seen it bad before, but this is batshit crazy.

They like to roll in the same stuff you do.

but that seems to be the Clinton's MO.

I don't mind when folks deal with tangible facts.

But shit gets distorted and made up....

That is wounding the entire party.

So, rather than see Obama wounded,
We can have them both be left for dead. :shrug:

And a bit much. Take it easy.

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Grits, Clinton shoe kisser!

Maybe Oprah will host a telethon.

It scares me too!

you should kiss my grits.

How about that?

They probably didn't get it though, Flo.

LoL

He's not my cup of tea, but I KNOW he wouldn't condone this garbage. And, unlike some people on DU, I'll vote for whomever the Dem nom is.

I guess Hillary's free ride here is over.

:eyes:

or at the least, Ironic.

infact them who are the vile disgusting shit slingers around here, a few even pretended to support Dennis Kucinich for a couple of weeks before having revelations, then posting them here for all to read thinking the credability was transferable... well its not.. Dennis is one million times the human being Hillary is, and I'm being kind to her. then the very public "Obamites are ruining this place, I'm leaving POUUUT!!!11"

I'm tired of reading their shit, so I just /ignore them when I see them, bar the few that seem reasonable.. and now.. peace.
:toast:

...just let's all be a little nicer to ONE ANOTHER here thanks.

Remember who we are replacing. I would happily take Hillary over any of the Repugnicans.

Perhaps people who are this angry should be starting shitstorms about Repugnican Senators and House Members instead ?

I for one want DEMOCRATS (especially NEW FACES!) DOMINATING CONGRESS as a result of Repugnican treason over the last eight years.

The appeal of Clinton seems to be rooted to nostalgia for the '90s - the economics and the we're-at-peace parts especially. it would be very interesting to hear more about her real record.

Not very electable from the perspective of this former North Carolinan, but hell, I will support her in the General if she gets the nod, almost no matter WHAT you dig up here. I hope you will too, rather than sitting out the General out of spite... but maybe you'd be right to, and I'd be wrong to vote for her, and we should lose this election on purpose just because the iran and economy shitstorms are brewing now and will be coming to a head over the next four years, and the Repugnicans should have the blame pinned squarely on them as it is their karma.

the winner of this election may wind up with more than they bargained for. if you hate hillary this much, maybe the ironic best thing for you to do is support her that she may become president and get torn to shreds by events beyond anyone's control :(

You've only become a hardcore Obama fan in the last couple of weeks. Are you going to pretend that the vilest and greatest percentage of "oppo research" posts on DU aren't on Hillary? Get real, Frenchie.

The rightwing dirt on Clinton is posted here on Hillary daily, and it is defended by Obama supporters as legit.

I'm looking to see if I even really know this woman?

Thus far, this is interesting... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4031623&mesg_id=4031623

Fact is, you don't really know the man you now adore.

He is more like Clinton than most Obama supporters care to admit. Clinton lite - same policies but without the experience to implement them.

But me personally, I do know about Obama's church....or do you care to explain something to me that I don't know? Please explain. I have time.

In the meantime, Why don't you also explain the group that Hillary seems to belong to, the fellowship. Those members aren't afrocentric and for Social Justice...they seem to be the most conservative religious fanatics in the Senate. Santorum, InHoffe, Bennett.

Please explain that one to me, so that even I can understand it.

Thank you.

It's my opinion that after a few stints as a part-time legislator in Illinois and less than one term in the US Senate Obama lacks the experience Clinton does?

I have an idea! Let's compare their policy positions - starting with the one and only issue the Democrats won against Bush before 2006: Social Security.

listed except for a list of bills from her 7 years in the senate...which I shall Peruse, and highlight what I find.

Go ahead with SS. I'd like to know.

Thanks.

I'm not going for experience this time, as I now understand that it is overrated. Just because Hillary, who wants to be the first Woman President has to have her man come with her to her new job if she wants the job, I'd like to ask you if Bill's experience is her experience or how does that work?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4022650&mesg_id=4022942

..and after you take that in...

The left - blogs, Air America, Democrats - went to great pains to show Social Security was not in crisis only to have the "candidate of change" reassert the right wing myth that it is.

I'm not going for experience this time, as I now understand that it is overrated.

Says Frenchiecat as her transmission falls out onto the interstate after being "repaired" by the kid next door with the starter tool kit.

Look, you've been duped by someone who gives extremely powerful and uplifting speeches but has not plans to actually do what he says he's going to do.

Obama?

Please don't call me "Duped". Don't underestimate my intelligence and consider yourself my superior. I'm not having any of that.

IN fact, that is some fucked up shit for you to say to me, the more I think of it.....and I don't believe that I have ever communicated with you in that manner, till today.

I've never been "into" the DLC, you have. So please don't tell me who's being duped.

Obama is no Charletan...which is what you are essentially saying. So Bill Clinton was the smooth talking fella who came from Hope and Preached in 1992, but Obama ain't nothing but some "charismatic" Pied Piper?

I guess Hillary is even more divisive than I gave her credit.

This is not good.

OK,

Where does Obama actually stand on such issues as welfare reform, social security reform, the war on terrorism, merit pay for teachers, and single issue advocacy groups?

What is Obama's position on the American left?

Where does Obama stand on a host of other issues important to Dems?

I'll give you two sources to find out:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0307237699/interactiveda482-20

http://www.dlc.org

I use my own sources....but thank you. If there is something you want to point out to me, if so great. Giving me a link that simply is the DLC org link is of no help to me. It doesn't tell ma a thing that I didn't already know. Did you want to get specific, or is throwing links at me supposed to somehow satisfy your end of the conversation?

I use my own sources....but thank you.

And you don't use "The Audacity of Hope?"

"in her place," and that a man not help his wife as she has helped him.

Great idea, great challenge wyldwolf for a thread purporting to research the "real" Hillary Clinton rather than just revive old repuke smears against her.

She started this and another thread to stir the pot. She isn't interested facts.

The question that should be answered by every self-described progressive who supports Obama and who has spent the last several years knocking the Clintons is this:

Why are you backing someone who's policies are almost identical to those of the Clinton's, and in some case more conservative (social security, health care)?

Is it because he's a better speaker than Hillary? Is it because you honestly believe the GOP wants to play nice? Or are they just in love with the idea of electing the first black president?

The figure from the past Obama most resembles, both in ideology and message is William Jefferson Clinton. Instead of embracing Obama's precursor they demonize him. What gives?

After some of the crap they've printed about Wes Clark and the Kosovo war?

Sorry, but I'm not buying ANYthing they write about Hillary's religion. As far as I know, she's a mainstream protestant. I really doubt they have any credible evidence to the contrary.

The irony of that statement is probably lost on you....

I am mad at myself for not having the discipline to stop posting here; at least for awhile...

I say the following as an observer and not as a partisan... I find it ironic and frightening that the supporters of the candidate who says he wants to bring us together has supporters who are doing their best to divide us...

This will not be good for him, the Democratic party, and the republic...

I'm finding that folks thought that they could attack Obama, call him new, and define him anyway that they wanted. And that is what is happening here at DU.

I'm finding that Hillary is so very far from perfect, that it ain't even funny.

I'm not going to hold Hillary and Barack at different standards.

If Hillary wants to talk about Obama's war funding record, then we should be able to discuss hers.

If Hillary wants to discuss that she has the experience, while she insist that Barack just talk....than we can analyze that.

If Bill wants to talk about fairytales, than we can look and analyze at the hell is administration was...sure, there were goods too.....but there were quite a few things that we could have done without.

So, in other words, if there is going to be a debate on candidates on this forum, it has to be an actual conversation.

Will it be good or bad for this Democracy? I believe that debate is much better to have than to install based on Dynasty. I call it nepotistical Entitlement. It means we can have a woman President as long as she brings her man with her to her job in order to get the job. I'm not impressed at the symbolistic nature of this "progress". I'm not jumping cartwheels, in otherwords.

"I'm finding that Hillary is so very far from perfect, that it ain't even funny."

I would amend it a bit though...


I'm finding that Hillary, John Edwards, Barack Obama, and Dennis Kucinich are so very far from perfect, that it ain't even funny."

and didn't research her....

But now that I'm attempting to see the differences with her from the candidate that I have researched....I'm finding that experience is great to have.....but experience at making bad decisions enough times is not.

So I find that Obama has made excellent decisions in his life...and I find that Hillary has some good, some not so good. Her resume is longer and she is older, so her list on each side is longer.

I still have to look at what is on this HIllary list, because just because it is longer, doesn't necessarily make it better.

I know the reasons why she might make a good nominee, but when I look at Barack and what he's been able to accomplish, plus what is NOT on the bad side of the list, and how he is able to lead because it is a natural for him, I believe that this is an asset that I don't believe Hillary possesses.

All I have to do is remember that NH Hillary Victory speech. Her backdrop had been switched from the old guard in Iowa, to young people a la Obama in NH. The commentators loudly discussed the oldness of Iowa behind her, and so then, she then switched. She actually did what pundits were telling her that she should do. She couldn't come up with it on her own. That is not authenticity. That is borrowed stage management. It is using someone else's aura and attempting to use it for yourself. I'm not comfortable with unoriginal thinkers. They tend to make a lot of mistakes before they get it right. I prefer someone with good judgement and sharp instincts. It makes a difference, because the job is truly about leading the country in a particular direction...but also how we get there is important too. I'd rather get there in one piece. I don't know if Hillary is actually as competent as she claims...even if she is more competent than George Bush, but then that's not saying much.

They use a backdrop that will be to their advantage... That's why even Republicans have African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians as backdrops even though they make a distinct minority of their support...

It is what it is and what it is is politics...

I didn't realize that everything was to be that micromanaged....although Bush is such a dumbass, he needs, and so not what he want to project, that's why he tried so hard.

I didn't believe that the Clintons were into that as well.....to the degree of it being that obvious.

Good to know.

And that is misquoting or misconstruing what Bill and Hillary have said about Obama.

Can we remember please that when Bill used the term "fairy tale" he wasn't talking about Obama himself, but VERY SPECIFICALLY about the idea that Obama's actual record on Iraq is substantially different from Hillary's. Now, you might not agree with what he said, but it's just false to try to expand his usage of the term "fairy-tale" to something more.

I try to stick to policy and process- with a bent toward traditional Democratic values, but from time to time I can't resist a dig or two, particularly when pots are calling kettles black.

It's inevitable that things will get like this during the primaries- which is why the admins split the forum off of GD the last time round.

my point better than others with using those initials precisely.

There are simply some issues that I have always had probems with and weren't truly settled. And I'm sure that you have as well.

No one is perfect, and I don't expect that.

I just expect campaigns to be ran with a modecum of respect (the way Wes ran his)...and I'm finding that Obama is getting nothing short but brutalized here with crazy shit about his church, getting called a neocon...or simply being a "Fairytale" or some shit about his funding votes (like Hillary is better). I don't believe that DU should operate outside of the truth, period. I find the Obama postings not to be valid, and I resent the rush to attempt to define him as something that he is not.

I notice that folks almost believe if one is talking about a Clinton, it is taken from granted that all of the questions have been answered. I'm sure that they have for some, but I need a little more info. There is certainly a chance that she may be our next Prez....and if that's the case, I want to know who she is. So far, the campaign is not allowing me to see who she is, but it is allowing me to see how she operates, and I don't care for it.

I love Wes Clark, but I'm not selling my soul to Hillary to see Wes Clark in the cabinet. Hillary is not going to hold a carrot in front of my nose. I make my choices based on me....not on others.

and both over the top at times...
I certainly haven't made a choice between the two yet - probably will let the primaries make it for me. I am trying to take issue with some posts out there - ON BOTH SIDES
(such as : "Rove is carrying water for Hillary!" "If you pull the lever for Obama, terraists gonna get ya (that's I think by a freeper - and has 9 recs), Roseanne calls Oprah for Obama, Hilary should drop out because Bloomberg wants it - and he might jump in if we don't obey, etc

But What I have seen since Obama started appearing viable has been very harsh and full of lies.

So maybe since I wasn't participating in dogging Hillary (I was too busy reminding folks about Edwards record).....I don't look at it as "porportional".

But yeah...I've read some of that here.

I started opening some - and it was scary. I am frankly worried of damage inflicted on either that may last into the GE. What worries me the most is that Rove (directly, as "columnist")and freepers quite ostensibly
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4024473
get traction now on DU, are rec on page one - and they love pitting sexism against racism, women against blacks.

Now they're openly admitting their intentions. I rest my case.

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So I'm not surprised at all if "those" Obama "People" have been shitty to you back.

I'm making it clear that I can be a shitty too...but I'll go the truthful route, instead of made up shit. I always have done that, and I will continue.

About you? I haven't really seen you contributing anything much....but a few drive by insults. Is there a special thread or post of yours that you can point me too that states that you are something other than what I can smell from here?

And, if that's a drive by to you so be it. You're the one going out into the world chanting Obama's name at 7/11's. You're reading like a cult follower more and more each day.

Senator Clinton has strong support here in the Arizona Black Community. We're not calling to lynch her like you.

You denigrate what other people think cause it ain't what you think.

You sit here and attempt to tear down thousands of voters, because you think that you know better.

How does that make you better than Bush? Please tell me.

What makes you a Democrat? I want to know....cause I don't see it.

You can call me all the names you like, but I'm not starting hit threads about Obama.

Do it now.

Show me the threads that are "hit" pieces.

Make sure to bring with you your debunking information.

Do some work for a change.....

What is it that you believe in that qualifies you.

You just called out, thus far a large chunck of this nation that are Democrats like you, Cult members.

So is that what you believe a Democrat would do?

Far as I'm Concerned, maybe you are in love with the Clinton. I mean, really in love. Maybe you are hot for them. Could that he your problem?

See, I can get low, just like you. Which is what my thread is all about. I can do it too...but it is you and your likes that are doing this divisive shit. Calling out blanket bigoted statement and insulting Duers here and Democrats everywhere.

Once you depart from the issues of the political public figures and start talking about people on this board, that's when you cross the line..which is why I called you out of your name....Cause you don't deserve my time.

And in fact, I think I'll cut you off now.

...so all he and his supporters can do is try to tear down Hillary. They are in it for themselves, Hillary is in it for her country. Case closed.

I am so disgusted by the personal attacks on Obama by both HRC and her supporters here at DU. Up until now I have trashed Clinton on her numerous policy failures and the fact she will divide our party and lose the general election. But now I am going really negative.

I have spoken with a few dozen people over the last few months who are either conservatives or fence sitters. Most all of them have considered voting for either Edwards or Obama. Some were going to sit this election out because they are disgusted with Bush. But all said they would vote AGAINST Hillary. Nobody I mean nobody has become a Hillary supporter that was once a true independent or Republican.

When are you people going to realize that she will unite them. They are looking for anything at this point to rally their troops. I will be donating heavily to both Edwards and Obama and I will start digging up as much dirt on Hillary as I can. She must be stopped.

I was for Wes Clark who endorsed her...so I wasn't gonna have much to say about Hillary. And in fact, I have a few very nice threads that I started a few months back.

The problem that I am seeing is not so much in who she is. It is how she operates. How the Clintons operate. That's what I'm starting to see that I don't like.

Don't let a small minority of people with bad attitudes tear you down.

After 26 posts on her own thread...I dont see how you could.
First Edwards and now Hillary, the hits just keep on coming.

appreciate your baiting snide comments about her just now.

...fuck'all as well. I do not care for the bashers, whomever they may be, get used to it...some of us really do believe in playing nice. I have looked into the depths of snark and told myself I am better than that.
Posting negative OP's all day about any one not Obama and then responding to them in such a manic style...yeah, show me that in 'our' handbook.
Tout your candidate please, by all means...but leave the rest alone.
Its not quashing your "debate", its asking you and many others to stop shooting into our circled wagons.

Fire away, I'll duck.

real people behind these keyboards. What binds us together as liberals is more important than these trivial differences between the candidates.

your pal to learn...

and so is the Obama campaign. Ever hear of a little repuke weasel named Ken Starr? He spent years digging for dirt on Hillary and her husband. And what did he find? Nada. Zip. Zilch. Hillary is the most vetted of the candidates by far, whereas Obama was nothing more than a state senator from Illinois a few short years ago. Dig all you want because the facts are that Hillary is going to trounce your boy. But deep down, I think all the shrieking from the Obamaniacs and Obamabots is indication that they (read: YOU) already know this.

Decaf...it's good for you.

BTW, where in WI? I'm in Madison. Yes, I'm a pathetic, shrieking Obamabot...err...not really...

A belated Welcome to DU either way.

:eyes:

Maybe they can get Oprah Winphery and Donnie McClurkin to host a telethon for The Cure.

In just the past few weeks, we've had the National Enquirer quoted for truth about Edwards.

"Sources" for "truth" about Hillary have recently included Novak, Drudge, Tucker Carlson, and a few other choice truth-tellers.

I understand where you're coming from, but if you think that Obama is the only one affected, the blinders are probably a little too tight.

You know, her husband also cheated on her, yet she stayed with him. Hoover made sure she and many other people knew about it, but she stayed with him. I also know she publicly respected President and Senator Clinton. I also know she detested the dirty tricks the FBI played on her husband.

She was a great lady. The world is a much lesser place due to the loss of both she and her husband. But yet you post your OP and all these other posts full of vitriol with her as your avatar.

I will never, ever understand some people on DU.

I should have put you on Ignore a while ago, because I am sick of reading RW talking points from the 90's here. You are on Ignore, now.

I know we don't always agree on everything on DU but I don't understand this post. Both camps are slinging mud. Neither camp is innocent. That's politics.

If it was done?