Hillary and Bill in the Briar Patch.

Let me begin by stating that I do not believe for a second the either Bill or Hillary Clinton have a racist bone in their bodies. I think the "fairy tale" line and the King-Johnson line were ill-conceived, but also spur of the moment. And Andy Cuomo's stupid stupid comment was just that stupid stupid stupid.

Regardless of whether or not they are properly being raised now by black political leadership in this country for political gain, the hornet's nest has been stirred and the Clinton are trying to do damage control.

The challenge the Clintons face however is that they have to talk about "it" less they seem dismissive and yet at the same time attacks on Obama at this point on any front might well be construed as being dismissive of him and thus of the rather obvious meaning behind a win in South Carolina.

The problems the Clintons now face is that may have inadvertently found themselves in the briar patch. They need huge African American support to win in November and yet they can not get to the general election unless they beat Obama in the primaries, If beating Obama in the primaries requires anything that resembles attack, rightly or wrong they offer black leadership the ingredients for ammunition.



Black South Carolinians, instinctively understand what is transpiring in this country and their pivotal role in that out come. Perhaps more importantly they also understand the incredible and historic irony they control. The state that gave birth to the Confederacy, the state at the western end of the Middle Passage, the state where the Stars and Bars still flies at the state Capitol, is on the verge of propelling a black man towards the highest office in the land...indeed the leader of the "FREE" world. There is a transcendent process going on here that is stunning. So stunning that even the Republican Governor seems to grasp it epochal nature.


If the numbers are right....and to be sure no one better take polling numbers with anything less than a shovel full of salt....A large victory of perhaps 20 points or more is possible. Not only will such a victory propel Obama onward to Super Tuesday and possible victory in three other deep South states, but it might actually might propel him much further by providing real proof of his legitimacy.

Black Americans understand history...they also know a thing or two about redemption and struggle. They certainly will remember the Clinton's come November should they find themselves in that position, payback will be hell.

I'm just sayin' - some people are prickly.

I'm only disappointed Cuomo didn't use the term hambone.

But I do believe they're not above using code speak (either from them or supporters/surrogates) to play to the basest prejudices of America in order to get Clinton in the WH.

He knows full well that the road to the nomination runs straight through SOuth Carolina and right past Jim Clyburn's front porch. There was nothing to be gained by speaking code words...Because it would only serv to cement Obam's victory in SOuth Carolina and Georgia, Alabam and Tennesse a a few days later and less we forget Lousiana and Virginia are withing a week of SuperTuesday,

Strageically speaking Obama may no longer need to spend money in the south, he can spend time in Connecticut and California and New Jersey and Missouri.

I don't believe it was intentional at all...but I do think they may have screwed themselves over in the process

and the difference playing the politics of the 1990 when everyone already feel like they have been played.

Think Oprah is on the phone?

I'm telling you, The Clinton really believe that they can have the best of all worlds, and we will have to tell them that they cannot.

Just like they can't have us recall the good of their Administration, but forget about the bad.
Just like they can't sell 2 for the price of 1, but tell us not to remember Bill unitended consequences that we are still paying for today.
Just like the can't use code words, and then turn around and woo the very people that the code hurts.

I want them to understand these things. It is important.

Plus that Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton thing ain't really turning me on.

I think she wrote off SC quite a while ago.

And i disagree; some of the "awkward" comments were most certainly intended. Given that, it's hard to discount the "misstatements" by the rest, much less the parsing and defending, or outright denial of the ugly underbelly of what's being said.

just like there are gays and women who support Obama.

Anyone who stays at home in November is letting the Republicans successfully fuck with their mind.

They the know games being played better than most.

You know what they say. Keep it real.

The Clintons didn't get that memo.

country- two Dem frontrunners charting a new course!

"Many have suggested that the American incarnation, Br'er Rabbit, represents the black slave who uses his wits to overcome circumstances and to exact revenge on his adversaries, representing the white slave-owners. Though not always successful, his efforts made him a folk hero. However, the trickster is a multi-dimensional character." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit

The American version of the story is said to have originated among slaves at Laura Plantation in Vacherie, Louisiana. Br'er Rabbit stories were written down by Robert Roosevelt, uncle of President of the United States Theodore Roosevelt.".....

The content of the post clearly indicates why I used the metaphor, I am an ardent supporter of Obama and I have a very deep family history in the struggle for southern civil and voting rights.

I will respond to anyone who is offended.

should be seen in context and not dismissed by the hyper-PC's immediately. Imagine if you'd used the term "tarbaby!" That caused some lengthy discussion some time back!

And to suggest that it does is playing the race card. Obama wants to stifle any criticism of him, and to do that, he is playing the race card. Everyone must walk on egg-shells or risk being called a racist.


It is politics as usual--from Obama. The "politics of hope."

And if you want to talk "code," I believe Obama, and his wife and Oprah have been using "code" this whole election.

He knows enough to have his buddies do it for him. This is political.

You accused Obama his wife and Oprah.

And for the recorde Jim Clyburn has not endorsed anyone in the race

Someone suggested that Obama has nothing to do with these current charges of Racism. I am responding to that.

That post was a response to using "code." When Obama's wife says to the press that blacks should be voting for her husband, there is only one way to take that.

how about a link?

"Black America will wake up"--Michelle Obama on MSNBC.


WASHINGTON—With polls showing African-Americans have yet to give overwhelming support to White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.),



his wife Michelle said “black America will wake up and get it" in an interview running on MSNBC on Monday.




MSNBC is using excerpts of a Michelle Obama interview to run in full on Tuesday morning. In a clip that’s featured in the afternoon cycle, Michelle Obama invoked the name of civil rights leaders Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. when talking about African-American turnout, a crucial voting bloc for the Illinois senator.

Michelle Obama said there was a "natural fear of possibility" and that there were times in her life when she was put down and not encouraged. There is "always that doubt in the minds of people of color."

She said the African-American community has to shake of its fear

“That’s what we want to show our community,” Michelle Obama said. "...We can do this too."


http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/11/sweet_blog_special_black_ameri.html

have anything to do with respondinf to what has been said by anyone supporting Clinton?

What does that have to do with my OP. Seems like it occured bedore hand....and iso far as I know the Obama's have asid nothing to milk the issue since the utterances occured.

it's only 9 am.

My laptop keyboadr appears to be failing.