Here is SPECIFICALLY why Obama is the best choice now.

First and foremost, I want to say that I like Hillary alright and would support her in the general election if she was nominated, but we must take a deep, honest, and objective breath here. Just look at the numbers. HILLARY HAS A VERY VERY VERY STEEP MOUNTAIN TO CLIMB TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. SHE IS MUCH MORE VULNERABLE THAN OBAMA.


A) OBAMA CAN CARRY SOME RED STATES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION BECAUSE HE APPEALS TO INDEPENDENTS AND EVEN SOME CROSSOVER REPUBLICANS WHO WILL NEVER, EVER VOTE FOR HILLARY.

B) OBAMA WINS MANY MORE MALES THAN HILLARY, A CONSTITUENCY, AS WITH INDEPENDENTS, WE HAVE LOST TO THE R'S SO HEAVILY OF LATE AND WHICH HAS COST US THE PRESIDENCY TIME AND AGAINE. GREAT TO HAVE A LOT OF WOMEN AND THAT'S AWESOME, BUT WE MUST WIN BACK MEN TOO.

C) 50% OF THE COUNTRY DOES NOT LIKE HILLARY, AND THOSE NUMBERS PROBABLY WON'T CHANGE MUCH GIVEN HOW LONG SHE HAS BEEN ON THE SCENE. OPINIONS ON HER ARE ESTABLISHED. TOO MANY PEOPLE WILL NEVER, EVER VOTE FOR HER.

D) IF OBAMA IS NOMINATED MORE DEMOCRATS WILL WIN THEIR CONGRESSIONAL AND SENATORIAL RACES DOWN THE BALLOT THAN THEY WILL IF HILLARY CLINTON IS NOMINATED. Obama has MANY more coat-tails. That is because Obama pulls Independents to the Democratic ticket. In contrast, Hillary Clinton drives many Independents to Republicans. Half the people simply DO NOT LIKE Hillary Clinton.
Barak Obama is a better Presidential candidate in the general election dynamics than is Hillary Clinton on practically every level.

E) The most important reason can be found by looking at the electoral map CNN has one here.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/electoral.college/

In order to win the Presidency a Democrat has to carry enough red states to equal 18 electoral votes, while keeping all the blue states in the Democratic column, and HILLARY EVEN RISKS LOSING BLUE STATES.

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A WOMAN PRESIDENT, BUT THIS PARTICULAR WOMAN IS MAJOR LEAGUE RISKY IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. IT IS INDISPUTABLE. THE COALITION THAT GAVE HER A NARROW NEW HAMPSHIRE WIN (REGISTERED DEMS, LARGELY WOMEN) WILL NOT DO IT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. WE NEED MORE MEN AND INDEPENDENTS. OBAMA DELIVERS THEM. HILLARY DOES NOT. DO WE RISK ANOTHER PRESIDENTIAL LOSS, WHICH WOULD BE DEVASTATING TO OUR PARTY, OR DO WE LOOK HONESTLY LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND NOMINATE A MORE ELECTABLE CANDIDATE? YOU TELL ME. THE NUMBERS CAN NOT BE DISPUTED.

Sorry my friend, I thought the ideas were the important part and what most people would be interested in. Wasn't intending to "yell." I personally prefer to read larger print. I would hope you'd be more interested in the meaning than the size of the letters, but I'll take you under advisement, as you can see I've done here.

using all caps = internetese for YELLING

If you don't use capitalization, punctuation, and spelling, it gets hard to read. I really did want to read your comments, but gave up. It also tends to be code for look out, wacko post in progress. So do yourself a favor and use that shift key! :)

I like Edwards too, but he's a victim of bad timing stuck between two people with much more money and much more organization. He's done. Best thing is to throw support to Obama.

not by a long shot. If something happens to Obama's campaign, you'll be thanking your lucky stars he's still in the fight.

The Fat Lady, California, hasn't even sung yet. Hang in there Edwards. "California Here We Come" !

unfortunately, the rest of us will get stuck with what you deserve too and that's shitty.

is a big reason I'm voting for Obama.

Hillary's negatives are so large, even among registered Democrats, that she only won NH because the anti Hillary vote is broken up among two candidates.

Now try to run against those negatives and gain enough independants in November against a McCain who does well with independants.

Theres too much animosity, she probably cant win against her negatives.

Look closer at the NH numbers, and in a sense we should be much more thrilled with what Obama did than Hillary. He almost beat her Dem base/female plurality with a decent chunk of D's but most importantly many I's and even some crossover R's, the same coalition that won him Iowa (except in Iowa he had more women) Before Iowa she was ahead in NH by 10 to 20 points. With a bad few last days (for Obama) that galvanized the Dem women vote for Hillary, he would have most beaten her but lost enough male votes and any I's taken by Edwards and Richardson. If it was a two-person race, Obama would have beated Hillary in NH. These are the things people need to understand. Any way you slice it, Hillary is MUCH more vulnerable in the general election, and we can't risk that.

article titled - Huckabee would lose to top Democrats by double digits

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/10/poll.head.to.head/
Dec 11, 2008

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On the Democratic side, Edwards performs best against each of the leading Republicans. In addition to beating Huckabee by 25 percent and McCain by 8 percent, the North Carolina Democrat beats Romney by 22 percentage points (59 percent to 37 percent) and Giuliani by 9 percentage points (53 percent to 44 percent).

While the survey shows McCain and Edwards performing best in their respective fields, both candidates continue to significantly trail their parties' front-runners significantly. In the national horse race numbers released Monday, McCain trails Giuliani by 11 percentage points, and Edwards is behind Clinton by 26 percentage points.

"Edwards is the only Democrat who beats all four Republicans, and McCain is the only Republican who beats any of the three Democrats," Holland said. "Some might argue this shows that they are the most electable candidates in their respective parties.

I made the mistake of talking to a woman I assumed was liberal the other day and she gave me an earful of what she thought of Obama. She informed me she is Republican, but would cross over to vote for Hillary because she is a woman. Right or wrong the problems exist for both. I won't go into what crap she said. She wasn't buying anything I had to say in Obama's defense. Whoever gets the nomination will need everyones support though. I do think Edwards is the best candidate out there for us common folk. We may not be able to make the hard left turn this country needs this election. But we can take the wheel and start turning it. I should say we need to take the wheel to start turning it.

type never does. They always vote.

I feel about what she said. She isn't someone I can unload on. At any rate there are many obstacles and falsehoods perpetuated about them all. I was hoping for more substance here. It only shows that there is not a lot of difference between the top two. They are both hated by bigots.

..regarding electability in November.

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They are virtually mocking Obama's idea of "Hope" (meaning vision and imagining a better future), but weren't they also the ones who in 1992 talked about "change change change" and "I still believe in a place called Hope" and "Don't stop thinking about tomorrow" ? All that talk in 1992, and then "A bridge to the 21st century", then they talk about Obama being a "fair tale" for "hoping"?
How many reinventions do we need from the Clintons???? I have Clinton fatigue, and this from a guy who voted for Bill twice and otherwise really likes them. But I want an electoral winner and a fresh candidate. Hillary, gender notwithstanding, is same old same old and VERY RISKY in the general election.

They would reassure you, ever so much. But you'd really rather just mouth sexist, unsupported trash.

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That's how far back you have to go? Well, get it all out, sweetie. You precious thing, you.

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Impressive way to welcome a relatively new DUer.

Hope you were treated the same way once upon a time.......ass.

And I'm pretty sure you need to look up the rules for discourse here.

So why does someone have to join a messageboard just to disseminate dirt about a candidate? Don't answer. You'd have plenty to say if it were your candidate.

I find it helpful NOT to consider my candidate a messiah. That way I don't get hysterical when I find out all those nasty little things in everybody's closet. Like Obama's house.

His post was thoughtful and actually accurate.

:hi:

EVERY REPUBLICAN.

And this is not just a recent poll, but it goes back for six months or more.

Remember, after the nominations are over with, our candidate still has to beat the Republican. And fight off the GOP machine. What has the GOP got against Edwards? We've already heard it before, and it's nothing compared to the ammo they'll have against Obama and Clinton.

Think about it: big money doesn't want Edwards because he's going to make things better for the American people, and that's not good for their bottom line.

Edwards is the candidate we need to put up against the GOP. He's the one who can win.

doesn't bring enough new voters into the system she turns voters off. Her money making with Indian business leaders while outsourcing was killing the Silicon Valley jobs for Americans is sickening. There is good reason labor is hesitant to support Hilary. She showed her lack of committment to labor while making numerous trips to India, even getting a communications building named for her there at a major tech university. (Tata tech company deal in Buffalo led to few promised jobs for an economically depressed city and no government grants for projects for a local university in conjunction with Tata as promised. Bill and Hil took millions from Indian business leaders who want outsourcing to remain strong. Hilary,cough cough clears throat and mentions being careful because of the American job losses at a Santa Clara conference of Indian business and tech leaders last year. I live in the Silicon Valley and I don't want her elected. She is for CEO's of this place and their unquenchable thirst for cheaper labor while they get huge paychecks completely out of proportion to the workers and mid level management.

...Clinton supporters refuse to acknowledge.

What you say is the truth. A Hillary Dem nom. means another Republican President.