What about men, Hillary? Is any man illegal?

Anyone ask her?

That "No Man is Illegal" too. In all fairness. I didn't hear her say it though, it's just what I heard reported. You'd have to find the original video.

Case in point: Bush and Cheney, illegal rulers of this country.

I'm no Clinton defender, but this is about framing and she did a fine job of it. In the words of George Lakoff:

The illegal frame — particularly “illegal alien” — dehumanizes. It blocks the questions of: why are people coming to the US, often times at great personal risk? What service do they provide when they are here? Why do they feel it necessary to avoid legal channels? It boils the entire debate down to questions of legality.

And it also ignores the illegal acts of employers. The problem is not being called the Illegal Employer Problem, and employers are not called “illegals.”

http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/rockridge/immigration

NGU.

Beyond the subject line.

You are capable of this, are you?

and if some woman called you on it, you'd be indignant, wouldn't you? jeez, it's pretty clear she was speaking figuratively, and men were included.

but she did in fact, say no man is illegal also.

strange twisted panty reactions. It was worse than I expected, and believe me, I expected it to bad.

Here is part of the post from DemocratSinceBirth.

(Hillary- "No Woman Is Illegal"

In broken English, one woman told Clinton how she wasn't making money as a broker anymore.

"I have no income at all," she said. "So how will I survive?"

Choking up with emotion, the woman said, "In my neighborhood, there are brand-new homes, but the value is nothing. I'm glad you are here so I can tell you, because you're going to be the president, I know."

A man shouted through an opening in the wall that his wife was illegal.

"No woman is illegal," Clinton said, to cheers.)

So as you can or not willing to read, a man had yelled that his wife was illegal. So Hillary answered as saying that no woman was illegal.
:banghead:

That woman's whole campaign is nothing but artifice and phoniness.

how about telling homeboy how to make his wife legal, the LEGAL way? and how is Hillary going to help real immigrants who are trying to enter the country legally, with respect for the United State's laws?

she's a panderer.

and yes, I know, the other candidates have similar views as she... but they're not planting supporters and planting questions so they can roll off pre-planned one liners. nothing hillary does is spontaneous. nothing.

by Hillary towards another human being is a "plant",she really is that all-powerful and evil. Some peoples hatred here is really going aroung the bend.

How nice.

huh?

:woohoo:

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:shrug:

I'm not an obama supporter, he and hillary are both corporate lackeys and will roll over for the robber barons in a heartbeat.

So fuck you and your pro-corporate bullshit.

Wow, that never ... I mean never came to my mind when Drill Sergeants would constantly talk "mean to me" and Basic Camp (ROTC hopefuls) during the summer of 1979. :crazy:

I'm ashamed of her tactics and consider them not only smarmy but *using her gender* to garner sympathy.

I'd doubt many former military women would be proud: HOW. SHAMELESSLY. PATHETIC.

HRC is an embarrassment to women who shed tears for NON-SELFISH reasons, such as after visiting Walter Reed or for the senseless deaths caused by "shock and awe."



Yeah, don't cry for me (feminine gender), but for "the mere chance" of falling short of your own insanely selfish political ambitions EVITA (HRC).

There's abso-f**king-lutely nothing to be proud for strong, independent women in the person of HRC. That is, unless you feel that unabashed self interest and political ambitions are GOD?

We're (American Women) being punked. I'll be ashamed FOR my gender if HRC wins. :(

her because of the much hyped non existant crying jag.If only we could somehow harness our out of control"feelings" and vote with our heads like men do.Rush loves you.

They're finally waking up, and getting off their butts to vote.

the pundits in their glee over beating Clinton with all of their campaigning for Barry Obama drove people to the polls to vote for her. the people of NH said "wait a second, we aren't sure we want a rookie as our nominee and we don't like the sexism that has been so evident on TV".

You can't have it both ways.

People are always bragging about what a tough campaigner HRC is. Perhaps it's truly because I am a woman who values humanitarian compassion ABOVE shameless ambitions that I would be ashamed of HRC if she wins? HRC's antics on the campaign trail set an example to young girls across this country that "Integrity and Honor" don't mean squat. What truly matters is that you are capable of doing ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING (interrogating her husband's ex lovers to keep them silent and shedding tears on cue) to acquire increased political power. Damn pathetic.

Don't lecture me about "feminism" because I've paid my dues. I'm proud of women who don't use their husband's rank/power to forge careers for themselves. I'm proud of women who truly "live up" to the positive stereotypes of the feminine gender: those of building consensus and bringing divergent sides together RATHER than either swaggering machisma OR crying on cue).

Yes, I'm an old time feminist who has always worked in non-traditional fields and who did not ever choose to wear her husband's rank/accolades (retired USMC officer) on her shoulders. I forged my own career and I hold no respect for women who either use their husband's status NOR blame the "other women" when hubby is a serial adulterer. I'm far from alone. ;)

Hillary is ambitious ,check
Hillary should accept the blame for her husbands behavior,check
Hillary campaigning aggressively proving she lacks "integrity and honor",check
Hillary only accomplishment to date is "riding her husbands coattails".check.
Hillary "cried on cue",check
Rush blows kisses in your general direction.

But very little about HRC using her husband's power base in politics is truly a "self made woman" story. You truly need to give this seemingly "Nancy Grace" haranguing argument a break.

WE ALL have our prejudices to reflect upon and overcome. :shrug:

But he LOVES you. You make his job SO much easier.

:shrug:

Wash. Rinse. Repeat. :crazy:

Try to turn the RNC/Limbo-ese back on me. It won't work. You're the one attacking Hillary for crying, but there's no there there.

that because of all the hate and put downs of Hillary, I will vote for her, even though I was going to vote for Obama.

what you said,
No...what the other poster said.
Not only do I have to get used to this computer, but I have to learn how to make my replies to posts follow the actually posts-

never mind
I'll get the hang of this new computer eventually.

I am learning that sexism is so wired into our DNA that its practioners don't even realize they are practicing it because it comes so nautural to them...

are not racist. :crazy:

Again, you can't have it both ways.

Just like our RACIST M$M who jump at seemingly every DAMN opportunity to highlight African Americans' fall from grace 24/7, but only choose to "obsess" exclusively about missing pretty pregnant white women who are either blonde and/or upper-middle class.

The M$M jumps with glee when they can show all those pretty pictures of golden tresses and blue eyes, but they also are delighted when they can lock up those black folk who don't know their place in WHITE society.

I'm not in a contest with you about which is worse (although racism would be my vote) in American Society, so don't WHINE about poor dear HRC. Her husband is playing the *white knight* in shining armor after all. ;)

It shows how deeply wired patriachal attitudes are...

Stereotyping and prejudice are not limited to the patriarchal.

It's just not that simple ... not "black and white" like HRC's buds in the DLC smear machine would wish thoughtful women to believe. :shrug:

As we are saying , patriarchal attitudes are stamped into our DNA...It's like having brown eyes...Most of those reinforcing patriarchal attitudes don't even realize they are doing it...

My main point is that your continuous (and IMO shameless) playing of the "gender card" is seriously OVERDONE.

Both sexism and racism are NOT that simple.

Thoughtful people can overcome those prejudices. I have a beautiful (blonde) daughter who is working toward her second degree black belt. But no, I would not wish for her to get into politics because the whole system is "morally depraved."

I am a feminist but one who does not go for a "knee-jerk reaction."

Yes, I am quite prejudice against women who are able to either use their husband's power" or marry into wealth. Why? I have far too many women friends who have been tossed aside by their "better half" for trophy brides.

It blows my mind how people of intelligence can NOT see how *parasitic* the Clinton marriage truly is but I guess, we all see what we wish to see.

But no, I resent the hell out of men like Rush Limbaugh and Chris Mathews. They live to put women down as "a group." Further, they do NOT value the femininely stereotypes such as "empathy" and "consensus building."

I excelled in both military and government service not IN SPITE of my feminine traits, but because I employed these laudable traits to help build "a team" within each section I was blessed to lead.

Again, sexism and racism are NOT simplistic (nor hopelessly wired in - unchangeable) and playing that "victim card" was not a tactic I ever used to compete with my male counterparts. But yet, I did just fine. :shrug:

the feminist era,unfortunately. I'm old enough to remember the Equal Rights Amendment debate when Phyllis Schafley(sp)convinced many women that there was some sort of shame in expecting equal treatment and mocked feminists as shrew like and "unfeminine" and she convinced many. There are many,many female Obama and Edwards supporters here who have picked their candidates based on good criteria and without personal malice toward Hillary. There are a very few who have not.

I have heard from women personally that the meltdown or whatever you call it and the unfair "mean" attacks by Obama and Edwards swayed them toward Hillary. Needless to say I set them straight. After a five minute rant or two from me the came to their senses.

had you around to set them straight!:eyes:

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I couldn't make this up...


:crazy:

and has problems with her record, then indeed I think it foolish to change their vote for her because she was sad that people were mean to her. If people think that my attitude is "patriarchal" then they are living in an alternate universe. It's just throwing the baby out with the bath water. Yes one can be mad as hell about her treatment, but would you be just as mad as hell if it were a male candidate that was treated that way? You can be mad as hell at her treatment, but do you change your vote to a candidate with whom you disagree on important issues for this country because of it?

Yes, that is emotional thinking, thinking the MSM relies on.

It was NOT this
:nopity:
Instead it was

for what media did with the so called tears
In conclusion, drop it

or you drive more women - possibly me as well to vote for Hillary

I seemed to have missed it by tuning out of the news for 38 seconds. Thanks.

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So it's one of those things that a candidate says that they probably dean mean in teh way it is being construed. And I say that as on Obama senator. She probably just mean a person can't in and of themselves be 'illegal'.

That would be so sad.

Please.

I give up. :scared:

do you really think this sort of nonsense helps your candidate?

all he does is make idiotic flame baiting threads

because Clinton said no woman is illegal when someone shouted that the woman was illegal and she didn't mention men, then she must think men are illegal. That makes perfect sense, men are illegal deport them all.:tinfoilhat:

you are exactly right.