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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:52 PM
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I can't get Kucinich, so I 'll take Edwards. I can't get Edwards,
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 12:53 PM by senseandsensibility
so I'll take Obama. Anyone else feel like this? After months and months of coverage and discussion, that's where I am right now.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:54 PM
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1. Hah I'm moving the other direction. Landing on Kucinich.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:55 PM
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2. Nope. hehe...I'm not ready to give in yet
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:55 PM
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3. Edwards is still viable. Why not?
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:40 PM
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30. Not for much longer unless....
He wins in either SC or NV.

I'm an Edwards leaner and have been for quite a while.

But,

He must win someplace and fast. If he finishes 3rd in SC - he's toast. Winning is contagious, but so is losing.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:58 PM
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4. Where do we draw the line? McCain? nt
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:05 PM
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14. NO!!!! I draw the line at Hillary.
She's fourth on my list.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:46 PM
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38. exactly
:applause:
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:59 PM
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5. I think you are on the right track.
Politically I am most aligned with Kucinich. I resonate to Edwards populist message.
Obama has a unique message delivered with optimism that does promise we can take this
country back from the divisive politics of the past decades. That message has amazing
appeal to me. Glad to have you with us.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:01 PM
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10. Maybe I should look at the entire situation in a more
positive light. Compared to the repugs, we have several wonderful candidates that I can support.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:03 PM
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11. delete
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 01:04 PM by senseandsensibility
dupe
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:53 PM
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39. I agree, and only nine days into it I want John Edwards to use his right to
make his case. And I want to use my right to hear it, and not be stigmatized out of it.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:00 PM
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6. I'm sticking with Edwards
Only one caucus and one primary have taken place; this race is still open. If you prefer Edwards to Obama, there's no point in switching yet, in my view.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:01 PM
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9. Right there with you
I'm sticking with Edwards, but Obama has become my second choice.
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:00 PM
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7. I went from Edwards to Obama after New Hampshire confirmed
this is a two person race.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:07 PM
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15. Pardon Me, But That's Just Silly
I mean, why are you letting Iowa and New Hampshire and the media pick our candidate? The media has been pushing this as a two person race for over a year. Why must we Democrats be such sheep?

Please see my post here about why it still makes sense to support Edwards - even if you don't think he can win.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4042817&mesg_id=4042934
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:22 PM
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23. What is silly is thinking
Edwards strategy of going all in in Iowa and mostly ignoring the other states
coming in second (close to third) in Iowa,
looking to do about 10-15% is most of the remaining states
is somehow going to pay off if we think happy thoughts.

Of the next wave of states including super tuesday, what states do you think Edwards will win?
He won South Carolina in 2004 but will come in third there in 2008, because of his failed strategy.

I am not going to let Clinton win this nomination without a fight, and Obama is the only candidate who can stop her now.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:32 PM
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28. Yeah, That Didn't Work
putting it all in Iowa didn't work out as Edwards had hoped. There are a lot of dynamics this time that just aren't in his favor.

I don't care if Edwards wins a single state. All I want is for him to get at least 15% of the vote in each state, or most of them. That gets him delegates. My goal is not necessarily for him to be the nominee (that is unlikely at this point), but to have as much influence as possible at the convention.

I know a lot of Edwards supporters who would go for Hillary Clinton if Edwards drops out of the race. So, we can't assume that a two person race would be to Obama's benefit.

And me personally, I'm not willing to let the media (who has wanted a two person race since 2006) win without a fight.
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:41 PM
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31. I do not want triangulating Clinton to be our nominee.
My goal is to stop her.
So we have different goals.
Looking at the campaigns, the exit polls, and the way Edwards has sided with Obama against Hillary on many issues, I think most Edwards supporters would go to Obama.
If Edwards drops out and endorses Obama, that will be much better for the issues he cares about, imo. A Clinton nomination will do little for what he cares about.
Whether he drops out or not still am voting for Obama.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:20 PM
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22. CNN saying it's a two-person race doesn't make it so.
Edwards is still VERY viable.

I wish I could say the same for Dennis.
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:23 PM
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24. And you saying that he can continue to get 10-15% in every state and win the nomination
doesn't make it so.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:51 PM
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35. Ah, what did he get in Iowa, where he came in 2nd?
He's not an 'also-ran'. He is still a contender. He has a strong, focused organization which could give him any number of 2nd place finishes, as well as a few firsts. Counting him out before super tuesday is really premature.
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:44 PM
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37. What states do you predict him to win?
I'd like to see a list if you have the time.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:00 PM
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8. About sums it up.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:03 PM
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12. Nah, I'm sticking with DK...
Voting my principles, and all that :)
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:37 PM
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60. Same here.
I have a fever, and the only cure is more cowbell, I mean Kucinich.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:04 PM
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13. Stick With Edwards
He hasn't dropped out of it. Unlike Kucinich, Edwards has delegagtes - about one quarter of the delegates from state caucuses/primaries so far.

Now, the way I see it, even if Edwards doesn't get the nomination, the more delegates he has at the convention, the more influence he (and his ideas) will have on our party platform and our candidate.

Furthermore, the better he does the more it will tick off the corporate owned media whores who want to dismiss Edwards and make this a two person race.

Stick with Edwards, he doesn't have to win, he just has to get at least 15% of the vote in each state. So, your vote for him really can make a difference, even if he doesn't win. A vote for Edwards can be a meaningful at the same time as it is a protest vote.

Hard to say that about any of the other candidates on the ballot.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:07 PM
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16. Thanks for the feedback
I will probably vote for Edwards in the CA primary.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:45 PM
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32. Thank you for your support
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:10 PM
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19. I'm sticking with Edwards too, because
As the serious vetting of Obama and Hillary begin, he's still a pretty gosh darn good alternative :D
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:07 PM
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17. Similar track for me but I'm sticking with Edwards as long as I possibly can
and since he said he's going to the convention, then I guess I am going to the convention with him!

I started with Kucinich, but I think Edwards packs a greater punch.

Dennis is Don Quixote, John is Don Quixote in a tank.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:09 PM
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18. LOL
Funny visual.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:46 PM
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33. Excellent quote!
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:34 PM
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58. Stuck on Edwards and liking it more and more.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:15 PM
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20. Edwards as long as he's in.
Anything can happen to the two top contenders. Also, Edward's message may catch on more as people become more award of the worsening economy and that the two corporate candidates are not the solution. My hope anyway. People vote with their pocket books, so they say.

Eight years of Bush and eight years of Clinton should convince them that this simply is not the right direction for the country. Obama is not significantly different from Clinton. He's a corporatist too.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:16 PM
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21. Well, that's my line up,
but I still haven't given up on Dennis.

I reckon the nominee will be decided well before May or June or whenever it is my primary finally comes around, but I'll still vote for Dennis, for him, for his platform, his plans, his principles.

Maybe it will help guide the party in the right direction.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:24 PM
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26. good strategy
voting for the lesser of 2 or 3 or 4 evil in a primary is stupid.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:35 PM
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29. Thanks!
I feel warm all over.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:23 PM
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25. Stick with Kucinich, since that's where your heart is
Or vote for Obama if that's where your head takes you.

Either way, I feel for you, because this has to be so hard :hug:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:26 PM
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27. NO.
I'll take Kucinich in my primary, if he is still in the race. I'll compromise to vote for Edwards in the general.

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

If Obama or HRC is the party's choice for nominee, then the party heads into the GE without my support, at least for the office of president.
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:48 PM
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34. I will stick with Dennis as long as he is in the race.
If he is not the nominee, I will vote for the Democrat as I would not vote repub.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:54 PM
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36. My choice is Kucinich or Edwards in the primaries if they
stay in. If they don't I will write one of them in. If either Obama or Clinton get the nomination then my choice will be the Democratic candidate against the Republican candidate of course. However, I don't consider it much of a choice.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:16 PM
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40. 98% of the country hasn't voted yet.
Vote for Kucinich, if that's who you believe in. Vote for Edwards, if that's who you believe in. Either would be preferable to any candidate endorsed by anti-Democratic leeches like Al From and Harold Ford.
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:14 PM
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41. That's about where I am
Currently with Edwards, but opting with Obama if JRE drops out of it.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:17 PM
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42. John Kerry wouldn't run, so I went with accomplishment (Richardson); can't have that,
I'll take inspiration and coalition-building and someone who will listen to people like Kerry and Richardson.

Go Obama!!
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:17 PM
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43. Kucinich is still my only choice.
I can't get behind Edwards and won't for either Obama or Hillary.


Just can't and as far as the general...seriously not going there yet.

There is NO REASON at this point in time that I have to worry about it either.

I still stand behind Kucinch 100%.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:09 PM
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48. You're right
It's still early, and if you want to support Kucinich in the primaries more power to you.:)
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:33 PM
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44. Hillary is closer to Kucinich than Obama and Edwards is very much alive
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:35 PM
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45. I won't move any further to the Right than Edwards.
Hillary/Obama........
just can't do it.
Not again.
I will be forced to take alonger view in bringing change to America.


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:56 PM
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46. kucinich -> edwards -> clinton. nt
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:09 PM
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47. I want Edwards
If I can't have Edwards, I will go for Hillary. I like Obama, but he's still wet behind the ears. Perhaps in the next election he might have more pull for me, but he's said some really stupid stuff that kind of shows his naivete in some circles. That doesn't mean he's not intelligent or capable, but since you-know-who massacred our foreign policy and made us the enemy of the world, we really, really need someone who can improve our global image and Obama is seriously lacking in that particular area.

I am making this choice from my own opinions, and I don't want to be attacked for it, please. It is my opinion, which doesn't make it superior or inferior to anyone else's, just different, perhaps. I intend to support whoever is named the nominee, but my thought is that we very much need to get someone in to repair some of the damage caused by this group of repuke terrorists currently squatting in the white house, and that's not going to happen with someone who promises dreams fulfilled, but doesn't have the understanding needed to recreate the country's power status or improve our standing as a superpower that should be minding its own business.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:57 PM
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53. I think everyone (at least I hope everyone) would agree
that you have a right to your opinion. But even if they don't, just ignore the attacks. That's what I do.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:09 PM
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49. That's how I moved.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:11 PM
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50. If you live in a caucus state, stand up for real Democratic issues
Caucus for Kucinich.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:16 PM
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51. Ha, ha....that's exactly how I feel.

Kucinich is the best choice, and Edwards is a solid 2nd. Obama is acceptable, and Clinton is not acceptable at all.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:27 PM
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52. No. nt
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:04 PM
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54. I'm stopping at Edwards.
If he isn't still in it by the time I get to vote, I'm just going to vote for Kucinich. I think Clinton or Obama spell doom for us in the general. I'll vote for either of them if they get the nomination but I do not expect them to win. Particularly against McCain or Guiliani.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:33 PM
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55. No, I'm sticking with Edwards
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 07:34 PM by OzarkDem
Obama is not my default for Edwards.

I plan to stick with Edwards as long as he wants me to stick with him. If he gets out of the race, then I will hold my nose and choose Hillary.

She has the best health care reform plan.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:32 PM
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56. Do you think she is more electable than Obama in the General?
That is a significant issue for me.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:32 PM
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57. Gobama!
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:34 PM
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59. Edwards came in ahead of Clinton in Iowa.
He is still viable. Don't believe the propaganda.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:00 PM
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61. Actually my list goes: Cynthia McKinney (G), Yet-to-be-named (S), Dennis Kucinich (D), then
Edwards, Obama, and Clinton
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:41 AM
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62. Still With Kucinich
I'm voting my conscience for a change. I have settled for the presumptive nominee in past races, but can do it no longer. I am of the mind that I cannot let the media and the pollsters decide for me whom I should vote for from whom they have anointed to be viable and worthy candidates. I believe in my chosen candidate's platform and will stick by him to the bitter end. If more did that instead of feeling forced to go along with the "popular" choice after their candidate of choice has been silenced and shut down, then we would have a better group of candidates to chose from and more fresh ideas to consider.
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