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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:15 PM
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John Edwards and the guillotine
Since you’ve already clicked on the subject line, you may as well not try to stop me if you’ve heard this one before.

Once upon a time there were three men in line to be executed by guillotine, a priest, a lawyer and an engineer. The priest was up first, and the guillotine’s blade just would not drop.

“It’s a miracle!” said the priest. “Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go offer a Mass of thanksgiving.”

Then it was the lawyer’s turn, and again the guillotine malfunctioned. The lawyer said, “I didn’t even have time to work on my brief appealing my condemnation. If’ you’ll excuse me, I’ll just take advantage of this lucky opportunity to finish it.”

When it was the engineer’s turn, the guillotine still wouldn’t work. He got up, inspected it briefly and said “Hey! Wait a minute! I think I see what your problem is.”

John Edwards and his supporters have observed that increasingly, mainstream pundits are starting to pretend that his campaign does not exist.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/dlc-leaders-cut-edwards-out/

DLC Leaders Cut Edwards Out

As would be expected, the two gentlemen from the Democratic Leadership Council on a conference call today told reporters they’re very confident in their party’s chances of reclaiming the White House, they’re happy that substantive issues are being discussed…

And then Al From, the D.L.C. founder, said he was “very happy about the two candidates” Americans are considering.

<snip>

During the rest of the call, the two men said they were pleased that none of the Democratic candidates supports a single-payer health care system, that they are all taking the environment seriously, and that they’re focusing on national security — a strength that Mr. From admits, “we’ve not always had.”


My question to Edwards is “What in heaven’s name did you expect to consequences of your own initiative to limit the presidential campaign debates to “major” candidates to be?” By colluding with this strategy, you did nothing but sharpen the guillotine blade that is now poised to chop off your own head.

You now criticize Obama for not being very explicit about policies what his supporters can “hope” to see enacted during his presidency. In 2004, you were the candidate who called for “one America,” but were equally vague about exactly what you would do to bring it about. You still have a little street cred with corporate-owned pundits left over from your last campaign, which you conducted without actually naming the forces behind the increasing separation of the “two Americas,” but it is rapidly being used up.

Losing in 2000 turned Al Gore from a cautious triangulator who wouldn’t even stick up for his own voters in Florida into a very inconvenient fireball of an activist. Did your own loss in 2004 (where you wanted to contest Ohio but were overruled by the head of your ticket), convince you that since playing it safe in the Senate and on the presidential campaign trail hadn’t gotten you anywhere, why not try reverting to being the lawyer driven by rage against the lack of accountability that allowed a little girl to be eviscerated for lack of a swimming pool drain cover?

Comparing your current fighting rhetoric with your actual record in politics has led some of the populist base of the Democratic Party to question your sincerity. As for myself, I really don’t care about the pandering/sincerity ratio; if it’s pandering, I sure appreciate being one of the ones pandered to for a change. Better late than never. The opinions of the corporate-owned pundit class carry far more public weight than mine anyway, and I don’t think they care one way or another about what you would or would not do as president; they just really don’t like how you sound.

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080109/BUSINESS/801090347/1003

Alarmed at the increasingly populist tone of the 2008 political campaign, the president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is set to issue a fiery promise to spend millions of dollars to defeat candidates deemed to be anti-business.

"We plan to build a grass-roots business organization so strong that when it bites you in the butt, you bleed," Chamber President Tom Donohue said.

The warning from the nation's largest trade association came against a background of mounting popular concern over the condition of the economy. A weak record of job creation, the subprime mortgage crisis, declining home values and other problems have helped make the economy a major campaign issue.

Presidential candidates in particular have responded to the public concern. Former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina has been the bluntest populist voice, but other front-running Democrats, including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, also have called for change on behalf of middle-class voters.


Now to the point—you actually don’t have the most populist voice. That belongs to Dennis Kucinich, who has been consistent about his positions in defense of ordinary people throughout his congressional terms, throughout the 2004 campaign, and throughout the current one. He has always been trivialized and ignored in exactly the same way that you are beginning to be trivialized and ignored. For chrissakes please stop contributing to this phenomenon—don’t you hear the tumbrels rolling in the distance? Stand up now and insist that Kucinich be included in the Nevada debate on MSNBC.

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/homepage-items/nbc-un%11plugs-kucinich-from-presidential-debate/

Less than 44 hours after NBC sent a congratulatory note and an invitation to Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich to participate in the Jan. 15 Democratic Presidential debate in Las Vegas, the network notified the campaign this morning it was changing it announced criteria, rescinding its invitation, and excluding Kucinich from the debate.

NBC Political Director Chuck Todd notified the Kucinich campaign this morning that, although Kucinich had met the qualification criteria publicly announced on December 28, the network was “re-doing” the criteria, excluding Kucinich, and planning to invite only Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and former senator John Edwards.


Not only is inclusiveness the right thing to do, but you would also benefit from Kucinich being Huey Newton to your MLK, Jr. on a public stage.

Thanks for your attention.

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To Edwards supporters: I called out my candidate for his Iowa strategy. When are you going to call out yours for his debate exclusion stance? Louder!! I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!

http://www.johnedwards.com/about/contact/form/
Phone: (919) 636-3131
Fax: (919) 967-3644

To Obama supporters: Your candidate made a public statement in favor of debate inclusiveness. Shouldn’t you be asking him to walk his talk?
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/contact2
Campaign headquarters (866) 675-2008

To everybody, no matter which candidate you support: Contact MSNBC about this

Address: letters {at} msnbc.com
Subject line: To the Editor


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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:23 PM
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1. What about Gravel?
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:42 PM
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3. Good point! I still want Gravel to be heard, too! (nt)
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:04 PM
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4. My letters will include him
First they excluded Gravel----etc.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:41 PM
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2. Thank you! Excellent post! Rec'd.
I shall definitely write, although I doubt any change will come of it this close to the date of the debate (Jan. 15).

As for Obama in particular, you'd think such a splendid fellow would at the very least show a bit of gratitude for DK's request to his Iowa delegates that they throw in with BO.

As for Edwards, who I support solely because I see him as our most viable hedge against the two corporatist finalists, I absolutely agree with everything you've said.

Edwards is a piece on the chessboard, Kucinich is my true heart.

sw
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:15 PM
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5. Kucinich's message needs to be heard, but....

in an unfortunate way, Kucinich himself helps to marginalize that message, while Edwards helps to catapult it into the mainstream. The M$M can only ignore Edwards for so long before their agenda becomes obvious to their mainstream audience.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:07 AM
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6. So, how come at the labor debates Kucinich got the loudest cheers? n/t
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:46 AM
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9. Why isn't Kucinich getting the endorsement of more labor unions? n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:58 AM
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10. Because they follow the "ask only for what you think you can get" strategy--
--instead of asking for what they want.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:19 AM
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7. {(yawn)}
zzzzzzzz......
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:40 AM
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8. Aren't you more needed at your celebration of the deaths of 18,000 per year
--not treated for financial reasons? Or is it the million dead Iraqis that float your boat?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:53 AM
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11. Dateline-January 13, 2008
A STUDY that claimed 650,000 people were killed as a result of the invasion of Iraq was partly funded by the antiwar billionaire George Soros.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3177653.ece
Soros, 77, provided almost half the £50,000 cost of the research, which appeared in The Lancet, the medical journal. Its claim was 10 times higher than consensus estimates of the number of war dead.

The study, published in 2006, was hailed by antiwar campaigners as evidence of the scale of the disaster caused by the invasion, but Downing Street and President George Bush challenged its methodology.

New research published by The New England Journal of Medicine estimates that 151,000 people - less than a quarter of The Lancet estimate - have died since the invasion in 2003.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:25 PM
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12. ------------------
UN Raps Iraq for Withholding 'Grim' Civilian Toll
By Yara Bayoumy
AlertNet
April 25, 2007
The United Nations accused Iraq on Wednesday of withholding sensitive civilian casualty figures
because the government fears the data would be used to paint a "very grim" picture of a worsening
humanitarian crisis. The criticism was contained in a new U.N. human rights report on Iraq which drew fire from U.S. officials in Baghdad and the Iraqi government. They said it was flawed and contained numerous inaccuracies.

The United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq (UNAMI) said Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's government would not release data on civilian deaths amid spiralling sectarian violence between majority Shi'ites and once dominant Sunni Arabs. "UNAMI emphasises again the utmost need for the Iraqi government to operate in a transparent manner," the mission said in its latest report on human rights in Iraq.U.N. officials said they were given no official reason why their requests for specific official data had been turned down. U.S. military commanders now give percentages to express broad increases or decreases for civilian deaths. "We were told that the government was becoming increasingly concerned about the figures being used to portray the situation as very grim," UNAMI human rights officer Ivana Vuco told a news conference.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue...


US Doubles Air Attacks in Iraq
By Charles J. Hanley
Associated Press
June 5, 2007
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue...
Four years into the war that opened with "shock and awe," U.S. warplanes have again stepped up attacks in Iraq, dropping bombs at more than twice the rate of a year ago. The airpower escalation parallels a nearly four-month-old security crackdown that is bringing 30,000 additional U.S. troops into Baghdad and its surroundings - an urban campaign aimed at restoring order to an area riven with sectarian violence. It also reflects increased availability of planes from U.S. aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf. And it appears to be accompanied by a rise in Iraqi civilian casualties.
In the first 4 1/2 months of 2007, American aircraft dropped 237 bombs and missiles in support of
ground forces in Iraq, already surpassing the 229 expended in all of 2006, according to U.S. Air Force figures obtained by The Associated Press.
"Air operations over Iraq have ratcheted up significantly, in the number of sorties, the number of
hours (in the air)," said Col. Joe Guastella, Air Force operations chief for the region. "It has a lot to do with increased pressure on the enemy by MNC-I" - the Multinational Corps-Iraq - "combined with more carriers."
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Examples of attacks, as reported in the Air Force's daily summary:
-Last Friday, an Air Force F-16 fighter dropped a guided 500-pound bomb near the northern city of Tal Afar that destroyed a vehicle laden with explosives to be used as a bomb.
-The day before, an F-16 dropped a similar bomb on "an inaccessible building being used by insurgents" near Samarra, north of Baghdad, with "good effects."
-Last Wednesday, another F-16 dropped bombs on "an illegal bridge and an insurgent vehicle in Baghdad."

Police and other Iraqi sources sometimes report civilian casualties in such airstrikes that are not
reflected in the official U.S. accounts. Air Force Col. Gary Crowder, deputy director of the regional air operations center, said such casualties "pale in comparison" with civilian casualties from ground combat. "In Iraq, we minimize our deployment of air-delivered weapons in populated areas," he said. Crowder, Guastella and Cox were interviewed outside Iraq at the regional U.S. air headquarters.
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Air attacks in Iraq are still relatively low compared with the numbers of weapons dropped in
Afghanistan - 929 this year as of May 15.


US Officials Exclude Car Bombs
in Touting Drop in Iraq Violence
By Nancy A. Yousse
McClatchy
April 26, 2007
U.S. officials who say there has been a dramatic drop in sectarian violence in Iraq since President
Bush began sending more American troops into Baghdad aren't counting one of the main killers of Iraqi civilians. Car bombs and other explosive devices have killed thousands of Iraqis in the past three years, but the administration doesn't include them in the casualty counts it has been citing as evidence that the surge of additional U.S. forces is beginning to defuse tensions between Shiite and Sunni Muslims.
Washington Bureau Web site, http://www.mcclatchydc.com Click on Iraq War Coverage.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue...

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Is the US Responsible for
a Million Iraqi Deaths?
By Patrick McElwee and Robert Naiman*
Just Foreign Policy
September 11, 2007
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There are no competing scientific studies of post-invasion deaths in Iraq. Neither the occupying
forces nor the Iraqi government has commissioned an official, scientific study of Iraqi deaths,
despite - or perhaps because of - the centrality of the death toll to assessing the decision by the
United States to go to war. Aside from occasional unsubstantiated assertions from President Bush, the U.S. government does not even guess at Iraqi deaths. The standard estimates of Iraqi deaths quoted by the press and dominant policy makers come from two clearly inadequate sources: media reports and politicized assertions by the Iraqi government.
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The Iraqi government used to release regular estimates of deaths in the country, but these were
politically biased and unreliable. In early 2006, the Iraqi Minister of Health publicly estimated
between 40,000 and 50,000 violent Iraqi civilian deaths since the invasion. In October 2006, the same week a study was published in the Lancet estimating 650,000 deaths, the Minister tripled his estimate, saying there had been 150,000. There is simply no centralized reporting mechanism that can count, one-by-one, all violent deaths in Iraq.

As of this writing, Iraq Body Count reports that between 69,000 and 76,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed. But, as Les Roberts, co-author of the Lancet study, points out, "There have to be at least 120,000 and probably 140,000 deaths per year from natural causes in a country with the population of Iraq." If the Iraq Body Count figure captured all deaths (which the group does not claim), then the annual death rate for the past four years has increased less than 15 percent. Roberts remarks that this is not consistent with "numerous stories we hear about overflowing morgues, the need for new cemeteries and new body collection brigades." Estimates of violent deaths on the scale of the Iraq Body Count numbers are also hard to reconcile with estimates that 4 million Iraqis have fled their homes, since interviews with refugees indicate that the violent death of family members was often the event that precipitated flight.

The Iraq Study Group itself found that "there is significant underreporting of the violence in Iraq." They cite a day in July 2006 when U.S. intelligence reported 93 attacks. "Yet a careful review of reports for that single day brought to light 1,100 acts of violence." The British daily Independent reports that the Iraqi government bans journalists from the scenes of bombings and has banned hospitals from providing information on casualties.

On January 9, 2007, a reporter from Fox News was embedded with the U.S. Air Force. He reported that
planes taking off from his location "dropped thousands of pounds of munitions. They bombed 25 targets deep inside Iraq." Yet no reports of any deaths from those bombings reached the English-language press. About the Author: Patrick McElwee is a policy analyst and Robert Naiman is a senior policy analyst at Just Foreign Policy, www.justforeignpolicy.org . Their counter of Iraqi deaths can be found at
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue...


Iraq Death Toll Rivals
Rwanda Genocide, Cambodian Killing Fields
By Joshua Holland
AlterNet
September 17, 2007
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue...
According to a new study, 1.2 million Iraqis have met violent deaths since the 2003 invasion, the
highest estimate of war-related fatalities yet. The study was done by the British polling firm ORB,
which conducted face-to-face interviews with a sample of over 1,700 Iraqi adults in 15 of Iraq's 18
provinces. Two provinces -- al-Anbar and Karbala -- were too dangerous to canvas, and officials in a third, Irbil, didn't give the researchers a permit to do their work. The study's margin of error was plus-minus 2.4 percent. Field workers asked residents how many members of their own household had been killed since the invasion. More than one in five respondents said that at least one person in their home had been murdered since March of 2003. One in three Iraqis also said that at least some neighbors "actually living on street" had fled the carnage, with around half of those having left the country. In Baghdad, almost half of those interviewed reported at least one violent death in their household.
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These numbers suggest that the invasion and occupation of Iraq rivals the great crimes of the last century -- the human toll exceeds the 800,000 to 900,000 believed killed in the Rwandan genocide in 1994, and is approaching the number (1.7 million) who died in Cambodia's infamous "Killing Fields" during the Khmer Rouge era of the 1970s.
While the stunning figures should play a major role in the debate over continuing the occupation, they probably won't. That's because there are three distinct versions of events in Iraq -- the bloody criminal nightmare that the "reality-based community" has to grapple with, the picture the commercial media portrays and the war that the occupation's last supporters have conjured up out of thin air.

Similarly, American discourse has also developed three different levels of Iraqi casualties. There's the approximately 1 million killed according to the best epidemiological research conducted by one of the world's most prestigious scientific institutions, there's the 75,000-80,000 (based on news reports) the Washington Post and other commercial media allow, and there's the clean and antiseptic blood-free war the administration claims to have fought (recall that they dismissed the Lancet findings out of hand and yet offered no numbers of their own). Here's the troubling thing, and one reason why opposition to the war isn't even more intense than it is: Americans were asked in an AP poll conducted earlier this year how many Iraqi civilians they thought had been killed as a result of the invasion and occupation, and the median answer they gave was 9,890. That's less than a third of the number of civilian deaths confirmed by U.N. monitors in 2006 alone.
According to a 2005 report by Lt. Col. Dean Mengel at the Army War College, the number of rounds being fired off is enormous: noted that the Army estimated it would need 1.5 billion small arms rounds per year, which was three times the amount produced just three years earlier. In another, it was noted by the Associated Press that soldiers were shooting bullets faster than they could be produced by the manufacturer. 1.5 billion rounds per year …
Given that the estimated number of active insurgents in Iraq has never exceeded 30,000 -- and is usually given as less than 20,000 -- that leaves a lot of deadly lead flying around. Everyone agrees that the U.S. soldier is the best-trained fighter on earth, so it's somewhat bizarre that war supporters believe their shots rarely hit anybody.
Joshua Holland is an AlterNet staff writer.



Holocaust Denial, American Style
Traditional U.S. media have refused to acknowledge the massive number of Iraqis killed since the
invasion.
by Mark Weisbrot
www.alternet.org, November 21, 2007

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad's flirtation with those who deny the reality of the Nazi
genocide has rightly been met with disgust. But another holocaust denial is taking place with little notice: the holocaust in Iraq. The average American believes that 10,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the US invasion in March 2003. The most commonly cited figure in the media is 70,000. But the actual number of people who have been killed is most likely more than one million.
This is five times more than the estimates of killings in Darfur and even more than the genocide in Rwanda 13 years ago.
The estimate of more than one million violent deaths in Iraq was confirmed again two months ago in a poll by the British polling firm Opinion Research Business, which estimated 1,220,580 violent deaths since the US invasion. This is consistent with the study conducted by doctors and scientists from the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health more than a year ago. Their study was published in the Lancet, Britain's leading medical journal. It estimated 601,000 people killed due to violence as of July 2006; but if updated on the basis of deaths since the study, this estimate would also be more than a million. These estimates do not include those who have died because of public health problems created by the war, including breakdowns in sewerage systems and electricity, shortages of medicines, etc.
Amazingly, some journalists and editors - and of course some politicians - dismiss such measurements because they are based on random sampling of the population rather than a complete count of the dead. While it would be wrong to blame anyone for their lack of education, this disregard for scientific methods and results is inexcusable. As one observer succinctly put it: if you don't believe in random sampling, the next time your doctor orders a blood test, tell him that he needs to take all of it.
The methods used in the estimates of Iraqi deaths are the same as those used to estimate the deaths in Darfur, which are widely accepted in the media. They are also consistent with the large numbers of refugees from the violence (estimated at more than four million). There is no reason to disbelieve them, or to accept tallies such as that the Iraq Body Count (73,305 - 84,222), which include only a small proportion of those killed, as an estimate of the overall death toll.
Of course, acknowledging the holocaust in Iraq might change the debate over the war. While Iraqi lives do not count for much in US politics, recognizing that a mass slaughter of this magnitude is taking place could lead to more questions about how this horrible situation came to be. Right now a
convenient myth dominates the discussion: the fall of Saddam Hussein simply unleashed a civil war that was waiting to happen, and the violence is all due to Iraqis' inherent hatred of each other.
In fact, there is considerable evidence that the occupation itself - including the strategy of the
occupying forces - has played a large role in escalating the violence to holocaust proportions. It is in the nature of such an occupation, where the vast majority of the people are opposed to the
occupation and according to polls believe it is right to try and kill the occupiers, to pit one ethnic group against another. This was clear when Shiite troops were sent into Sunni Fallujah in 2004; it is obvious in the nature of the death-squad government, where officials from the highest levels of the Interior Ministry to the lowest ranking police officers - all trained and supported by the US military - have carried out a violent, sectarian mission of "ethnic cleansing." (The largest proportion of the killings in Iraq are from gunfire and executions, not from car bombs). It has become even more obvious in recent months as the United States is now arming both sides of the civil war, including Sunni militias in Anbar province as well as the Shiite government militias.
Is Washington responsible for a holocaust in Iraq? That is the question that almost everyone here
wants to avoid. So the holocaust is denied.

Mark Weisbrot is Co-Director and co-founder of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. He
received his Ph.D. in economics from the University of Michigan. He is co-author, with Dean Baker, of Social Security: The Phony Crisis (University of Chicago Press, 2000), and has written numerous
research papers on economic policy. He is also president of Just Foreign Policy.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Iraq/US_...
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:16 AM
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13. Counting only death by direct military action is cheating
The original study used standards epidemiology and counted people killed by infrastructure destruction, such as dismantling the health care system and lack of power and water.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:47 PM
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14. Kick, missed this earlier...Chuck Todd
found when searching for Chuck Todd.

"...NBC Political Director Chuck Todd notified the Kucinich campaign this morning that, although Kucinich had met the qualification criteria publicly announced on December 28, the network was “re-doing” the criteria, excluding Kucinich, and planning to invite only Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and former senator John Edwards..."



Now from tonight...

"Thank you Chuck Todd for bringing up Edwards

"He was the heart and guts of the debate."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4080275


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