Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The Clinton Campaign: A proven record of supressing votes.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:40 PM
Original message
The Clinton Campaign: A proven record of supressing votes.
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 10:33 PM by Wolsh
It's a very disturbing pattern. Normally,you could count on the GOP to cheapen and hide your votes. Now you only have to look to the supposed matriarch of the party.

First, she didn't want to allow college kids to vote in the Iowa caucus:

http://www.alternet.org/story/72583/

Then, in New Hampshire, her campaign illegally interfered in the GOTV efforts of opposition campaigns:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/12/taken_for_granite.html

Now, her campaign is instrumental in cutting off thousands of workers from voting in Nevada:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/tough-guy-pol-1.html


At what point do even her own supporters, self proclaimed democrats no less, speak out against these tactics? We have fought too hard, for too long, in order to give everyone a chance to have their votes counted. Hillary continues to cheapen those efforts in her egomaniacal quest for power. It's her turn after all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:46 PM
Response to Original message
1. Kick for edit
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:46 PM
Response to Original message
2. Her campaign makes me want to vomit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. i would really look deep into the NV case before you attribute it to their campaign...
it's always better to have the complete truth. especially if its leading you to resent her. we have NO idea yet what this case is about, there are so many people and details, it's unfair to just assume that b/c people on DU are providing links that argue FOR that being that case, that that is the case.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #8
19. What are you talking about?
The director of the union is a member of Clinton’s Nevada Women’s Leadership Council, and an attourney associated with her campaign is bringing the lawsuit. What more is there to look into?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:48 PM
Response to Original message
3. Both these stories are hit pieces concerning mnatters where HRC did nothing wrong.
There are other threads on these subjects. Biased partisans can go there to add to the hatred ensconsced in them. Those who want to know the truth about these matters can find it there as well, if they don't mind going through some trouble to keep from being lied to by posts like this one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Ha, they are far from hit pieces. They are presenting the facts...
If you're ok with these facts then good for you, but I question if you want to win the primary more then you represent real democratic values.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. anything that puts Clinton in a bad light is a hit piece, didn't you get the memo?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. As was Kos's front page
She did these things and after three strikes it's a pattern and it IS a problem.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. she did these what? you're making a huge assumption on the NV case.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #3
20. Oh. So Hillary is really not in control of her campaign, and all this
is due to Campaigners Gone Wild.

That's...encouraging.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:50 PM
Response to Original message
4. i hope if they are not involved that they find a way to prove it b/c...
if they don't, once the casino workers DO get to the polls, they will vote against her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #4
23. Correct me if I'm wrong, but NV is a caucus state, not a primary
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 10:45 PM by NCevilDUer
state.

You don't just show up, vote, and leave at any time during the day. You have to be available for multiple votes as the day goes on.

Teachers are off work on Saturday. They CAN spend the day at the polls. The casino workers WORK. They can't be running off the job for several rounds of voting. That means the casino workers WILL be underrepresented - and as the teachers union supports Hillary and the casino workers union supports Obama, that breaks in Hillary's favor.

Edit: In answer to your comment, the end result is they won't get the chance to vote against her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. ah yes, thanks. (they won't IF they are not allowed to hold the caucuses...
but if they are allowed and the suit doesn't hold up, she's going to be f'd).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:51 PM
Response to Original message
6. You'd have to be nuts to believe any of the countless false accusations the Obamites make.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. You'd have to be blind not to.
I couldn't make up as many missteps as the Clinton campaign has done to itself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Perry's got the sunglasses on, so he may be blind.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:57 PM
Response to Original message
13. Don't forget the Clinton Camp's back-room effort to disenfranchise students in Iowa.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Added to the OP
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:06 PM
Response to Original message
15. She is a very poor imitation of Karl Rove or maybe it's the people handling her
at any rate ...I smell fear and dishonesty all over this group.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:09 PM
Response to Original message
16. Wolsh, is there a lawsuit in the works to penalize the Clinton workers who did this in NH?
This is blatantly illegal, not just reprehensible but illegal.

I doubt that Obama himself could bring it in the thick of a campaign, but is there a movement on for it? Just the principle of it is repugnant.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. The first I heard about this was tonight. WesDem made a huge thread about it...
with 30 some recs, but one of the mods decided to send it to a different forum where nobody will see it.

I hope that the MSM picks it up, I think its a HUGE story.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. The mods should not be sending this one over, it is a general politics
thread not an "Electoral Reform" thread. It deserves to be here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:23 PM
Response to Original message
18. This issue should be getting much more attention then the race baiting bullshit going on at
the top of the forum.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:43 PM
Response to Original message
22. Has anyone seen this covered in anything other then blogs?
It needs traction.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. It was originally a WaPo article, wasn't it?
Picked up by at the Kos site?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. It was a WaPo blog
I guess thats close enough for the time being.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Good point, but we need to build the outrage
so that it really does "go mainstream." Getting comments from a prominent Democrat going would be one method.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. I'd like to hear it discussed on the sunday interview shows
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:59 AM
Response to Original message
29. Typical for the Clintons
They've been doing that since at least 1992, when they tried to keep college students out of the WI primary. Most of the students were supporting Jerry Brown and Billary desperately needed a win in Wisconsin to put Brown out of the running. They ended up taking Wisconsin and the rest is sad and sordid history.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:09 AM
Response to Original message
30. And Again, Here Come The Tinfoil Hat Sore Losers Who Can't Accept Their Guy Lost
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #30
31. Typical Right Wing response
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 11:47 AM by Wolsh
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:19 PM
Response to Original message
32. kick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 02:40 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC