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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:12 PM Original message |
Obama admits he says things he doesn't mean (Iraq). How, then, can you really know where he stands? |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. I liked his response. I like his reasoning |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. That is so naieve. nt |
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Spiffarino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
46. Agree 100% |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. I have him figured out. He is doing better than Bush/Rove ever did at smearing someone with |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. Obama is the "Chosen One". |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
4. The difference is, it was not for his own political gain. It was to |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
32. By saying there was no difference between him and Bush regarding Iraq that year? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
5. Damn him for trying to ensure that Bush didn't win! It really does call some |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. No, damn him for lying. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. I don't see a lie, I see spin! |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. So did Hillary, for that matter, but the point is Obama's EXCUSE for saying those things. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. A lot of people take issue with Hillary's stance post the IWR vote, |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Sure, that'd make a nice thread. Meanwhile, Obama said things he didn't mean for political reasons. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
50. No, that's your spin. I think I address that in a previous response. n/t |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. where? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
7. What's dishonest is shaving off the critical point that Obama made about the war |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. NO! It's his explanation - he admits he said things he didn't really mean. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. My God, he talks about politcal timing as an excuse to betray his convictions. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. Thank You For Your Support |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Evidently the only answer to Obama's own record is to deflect to Clinton. |
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Yurovsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Keep calling Obama a liar ... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. They aren't my words, they are his. Hard to take for some, I understand. But |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. His own apologists say he lied |
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Yurovsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Keep calling Obama a liar ... |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. You're A Very Silly Person |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Back to the Clintons we go. Evidence is Obama's own words that he didn't say what he believed |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. Well then he's a FLIP FLOPPER, doesnt he accuse |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
19. Who knows when he's being straight? Clinton kept her position, Edwards apologized but didn't try to |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
20. I wonder -Obama is a scholar,...has he been studying the'Rove's Political Tactics101' book? |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. ouch! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
23. That's low |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
24. here he is on tape. watch for yourself. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
28. He didn't say it for HIS political advantage, but to protect Kerry and Edwards. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. He lied for Kerry and Edwards? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. He didn't LIE for them. He tried to minimize the difference between him and them by saying he |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
53. oh. ok. He was against the war, but said there was room for disagreement, pre-Hillary IWR bashing. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. so he will lie about his position to protect kerry and edwards... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. And we are to "hope" he has "changed" and would not lie to protect his chance to become president... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. He never lied at all. And what he DID say was to help others-not himself. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. He said he doesn't know what he would have done but he didn't mean it |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. He didn't say he would've supported it like Kerry and Edwards... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. He said what Bill Clinton said he said: he wasn't sure what he would do |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Bill Clinton lied when he said Obama was never questioned about that. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Bill was talking about Obama NEVER being asked that in FIFTEEEN debates. Bill was honest agian |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. He said Obama got a free ride from the media. He lied again... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:25 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Has Obama ever been questioned in a debate about the statement in question? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. He didn't lie. I wonder if YOUR candidate would do such a thing to help someone else politically. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I "hope" not |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
30. Hard to fault a guy for defending the candidates nominated by his party... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. You're right, but as you can see by the posts above, they ARE faulting him. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. The OP's point is Obama is willing to say things he doesn't mean for political advantage |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. The OP claimed he did it for his own political ambitions. He clearly did it DESPITE his political |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:27 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. How did he help Kerry and Edwards? What if he said he disagreed with them? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Grow up |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:29 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Obamites admit Obama lied. The defense? "Grow up" |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Who admitted that? |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
35. I vote "present" on this particular thread |
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NoBorders (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
58. Weak. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
59. you are supporting Hillary, right? |
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