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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:29 PM
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Obama giving Clinton a race in her backyard

Obama giving Clinton a race in her backyard

A win in South Carolina could develop grass-roots support in New York

By Sam Roberts
updated 12:53 a.m. ET, Sat., Jan. 12, 2008

With Senator Barack Obama vowing to challenge Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on her home turf, the Democratic presidential primary in New York on Feb. 5 is shaping up as the state’s most competitive since 1992, when Bill Clinton took up a rival’s mantra of change to all but cinch the nomination.

Mrs. Clinton was re-elected a little more than a year ago by better than two to one. Before the Iowa caucuses, she had so dominated opinion polls and endorsements by elected officials and powerful unions that many considered her home state impregnable to political interlopers.

But if Mr. Obama wins the South Carolina primary in two weeks, he could develop enough grass-roots support among young people, liberals and black voters in New York to pose a serious threat to her claim to the state’s rich delegate lode, allies of both candidates say.

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But, Mr. Rangel acknowledged, “Obama’s electric campaign will stimulate a big turnout.”

“Even though there’s no question in my mind that Hillary can do a better job, we’re dealing with a lot of emotion and racial pride, and he’s proven himself to be a credible candidate already,” Mr. Rangel said.

Measured by volunteers, phone banks, offices and other tangible signs statewide, the Clinton campaign appears better organized. She has the support of many members of Congress and the Legislature, as well as the backing of unions that are adept at turning out voters, including those representing teachers, building service workers and municipal employees.

Mr. Obama has been endorsed by a number of black elected officials in Harlem, southeast Queens and central Brooklyn, all bastions of Democratic voters. And in a particularly revealing gauge of his organizational strength, Mr. Obama is the only Democrat other than Mrs. Clinton to have full delegate slates in each of the state’s 29 Congressional districts, suggesting he may be competitive in areas outside New York City.

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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:34 PM
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1. According to what I've heard, Obama's appearance in Harlem was like a Rock Concert minus the music.
And then, had I been more observant, I could've heard him speak at Washington Square that same week, right next to where I have class.

Stupid, stupid, stupid!
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:42 PM
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2. Keep in mind...
...that New York state isn't just Harlem and Greenwich Village.

I have no doubt that Obama will do well in isolated enclaves and African-American-dominated neighborhoods, but I can't see him making it a race in NY overall.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:50 PM
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5. White people vote too......and they are NOT all in love with Hillary.....
So we shall see. If she doesn't win it big, she's got more problems then she ever dared to dream of.

Maybe that will be all of her "false" hope down the tube.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:05 AM
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9. Obama will win many of the regentrifying white areas
Clinton will win the traditional white enclaves in Queens and the Bronx.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:21 AM
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12. Personally i have no real worries, i'm quite positive Obama will give Hillary
a very hard run for her money due to this minor thing:

Obama’s petition total, achieved without relying on paid help, reflects his strong grassroots support across New York. New York law requires 5,000 signatures for the presidential candidate and 500 signatures for each congressional district delegate slate.

Considering there is 28 or 29 districts and he got all covered without relying on paid help I'd say this should be very interesting to watch
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:51 PM
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6. New York State was one of Bill Clinton's big triumphs in 1992...
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 11:53 PM by Bicoastal
...and if a Southern boy from Arkansas running on a "the next JFK" platform can do it, Obama can too.

Plus, Hillary backs Spitzer, who's none too popular there right now...add Bloomberg to the mix, and there's no telling what could happen.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:04 AM
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8. NYS Prediction: Either Clinton by 15%+ or Obama in a squeaker
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 12:06 AM by alcibiades_mystery
I don't see how any other results could happen. It won't be Clinton by a small margin, since if her margin is small, it meant enough went wrong to lose it.

She'll take upstate huge. They love her, cuz she goes there constantly. Albany's run by a democratic machine to this day at least as influential as Chicago's. These are establishment De,ms and they'll go for Clinton big. Ditto Buffalo.

It may come down to what Major Owens and Maurice Hinchey tell their people in Brooklyn and Binghamton. Clinton will win the establishment areas of Manhattan and the traditional white enclaves in the outer boros. Obama has a good chance of picking up the younger and more trendy neighborhoods, and those under transformation (Williamsburg, Carroll Gardens/Cobble Hill, Park Slope and - I think - he may even be competitive in Bay Ridge). What will the Bronx Machine do? Stick with Clinton, I suspect, with huge earmarks promised. Nassau and Suffolk go Clinton easily. If they don't, if Binghamton doesn't, if Yonkers doesn't, if Plattsburgh and all those Northway counties don't, she's done. But they will.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:38 PM
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13. "isn't just Harlem and Greenwich Village" -- huh?
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 12:42 PM by HamdenRice
Perhaps you are not familiar with the demographics or geography of New York.

New York city, with 8 million residents is a "majority minority" city. About 1/4 of the city's population is black -- both American ancestor blacks and Afro-Caribbean. About 11% is Latino, and while the Puerto Rican population is declining compared to other Latin groups, because of their automatic citizenship they are the most important Hispanic voting block, and unlike Hispanics in other cities, the Puerto Rican community has strong ties to the African American community and both vote for each other's candidates more than in other cities.

Even the Asian population of the city, which is centered in Flushing, Queens, not as out of towners might think, in Chinatown, skews more liberal than elsewhere, and Flushing is represented on the city council by John Liu, one of the first Chinese-American politicians to present himself as a civil rights centered leader with ties to the African American community.

Harlem is not representative of the African American community in New York City. In fact, it's tiny (a few hundred thousand), compared to Brooklyn's millions. The other big African American community is southeast Queens, the only county in the country of its size where, the census shows, African American households are on average more affluent than white households.

The city is also home to a vast number of young people recently out of college who fit the profil of Obama's white supporters.

In other words, New York City is ripe for Obama's picking. Throw in the largely African American suburban towns like Yonkers, New Rochelle, and Hempstead, and the upstate urban populations, and a big shift of blacks toward Hillary would put the state in play.

This has nothing to do with just Harlem and Greenwhich Village.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:42 PM
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3. JEDNE....
...anyone else running there???
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:47 PM
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4. Nobody with a chance of winning.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:15 AM
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11. On this occation Edwards is without luck i think
Unless I'm wrong he only managed to get 8 delegate slates of 28 or 29 so he won't be able to get many delegates
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:52 PM
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7. Uh oh, this wasn't the game plan.
Let's see if slimebag Carville can swiftboat her way out of this one.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:26 AM
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10. clinton will take new york
and obama will take illinois.....
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