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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:44 AM
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Can someone tell me what Obama's plan for Iraq is?
Just a quick overview please. Like when does he have all the troops out?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:46 AM
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1. Sit at a table with Republicans and sing Kumbyyah? nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:25 AM
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19. which means you have no fucking idea but need to be obnoxious to cover your ignorance on the matter
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:26 AM
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20. I listened to Obama's local folks yesterday at a meeting. They said NOTHING about anything. nt
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 10:54 AM by patrice
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:28 AM
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21. P.S. Your manners are very persuasive.
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 10:40 AM by patrice
:sarcasm: - just in case you don't get it.

P.S. I do KNOW and it is precisely your assumption that anyone who does know would be an Obamista that makes what I know add up to supporting someone else.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:41 AM
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24. Maybe divert attention and bomb Iran, he wants to you know.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:47 AM
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2. From memory alone
Draw down 1-2 brigades per month and have all of them out in 16 monhts. Have enough to protect an American Embassy and redeploy some to fight AL-Qaeda in Afghanistan.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:48 AM
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4. oh
so basically Hillary's plan
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vee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:01 AM
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7. So Hillary's not backing the Bush plan any longer?
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:03 AM
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8. she never was
:shrug:
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vee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:05 AM
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9. Why did she vote for it ?
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:05 AM
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10. She didn't
IWR was not a vote to go to war.
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vee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:10 AM
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11. In 2003 she voted for it "with conviction", her words.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:12 AM
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13. great!
Doesn't make it a vote to go to war.
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vee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:13 AM
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15. Far, far, far from a vote not to.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:20 AM
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16. I think you need to actually read IWR
and then come back for an intelligent discussion.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:24 AM
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17. Maddie, don't waste your time....
some people just like to argue. :eyes:
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vee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:24 AM
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18. Here is a simple question for some on as intelligent as you. Did clinton support Bushes war policy
in 2002 or not?
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:28 AM
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22. Judge for yourself
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vee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:36 AM
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23. I'd say we both agree then. Yes she supported the Bush War policies in 2002.
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 10:38 AM by vee
"This is a very difficult vote.
This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make --
any vote that may lead to war should be hard --
but I cast it with conviction."

Tough decision to make, but she sure did make it.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:08 PM
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27. whatever, kiddo
IWR was not a vote to go to war.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:13 AM
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14. True.....
and even Obama admitted that they didn't have all of the info;

From a statement to Council on Foreign Relations in Chicago, Nov. 22nd, 2005;

"I do want to make the following observations, though. First, I am part of that post Baby Boom generation that was too young to fight in Vietnam, not called to fight in Desert Storm, too old for the current conflict. For those like me who - for whatever reason - have never seen battle, whether they be in the Administration or in Congress, let me suggest that they put the words "coward" and "unpatriotic" out of their vocabulary - at least when it comes to veterans like John Murtha who have put their lives on the line for this country. I noticed that the President recognized this bit of wisdom yesterday. I hope others do to.

Second - the Administration is correct to say that we have real enemies, that our battle against radical Islamist terrorism will not be altered overnight, that stability in the Middle East must be part of our strategy to defeat terrorism, that military power is a key part of our national security, that our strategy cannot be poll driven. The Administration is also correct when it says that many overestimated Saddam's biological and chemical capacity, and that some of its decisions in going to war were prompted by real errors in the intelligence community's estimates.

However, I think what is also true is that the Administration launched the Iraq war without giving either Congress or the American people the full story. This is not a partisan claim - you don't have to take my word for it. All you need to do is to match up the Administration's statements during the run-up to the war with the now declassified intelligence estimates that they had in their possession at the time. Match them up and you will conclude that at the very least, the Administration shaded, exaggerated and selectively used the intelligence available in order to make the case for invasion.]/b]

The President told the American people about Iraqi attempts to acquire yellow cake during the State of the Union. The Vice-President made statements on national television expressing certainty about Iraq's nuclear weapons programs. Secretary Rice used the words "mushroom cloud" over and over again.

We know now that even at the time these unequivocal statements were made, intelligence assessments existed that contradicted these claims. Analysis from the CIA and State Department was summarily dismissed when it did not help the Administration make the case for war."




I like how he says; we NOW know...
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:48 AM
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25. So there is basically no difference between them
when it comes to how to handle Iraq? Thank you for this information. I'll continue to support another candidate, then. These plans are unacceptable to me.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:10 PM
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28. Hillary will not withdraw until 2013, so no.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:24 PM
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33. Neither will Obama
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:48 AM
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3. Hope
and --uhm--Change.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:49 AM
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5. Blame Clinton.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:10 AM
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12. issues
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 10:11 AM by mkultra
obama and clinton are close on issues.

The difference for me now is character.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:59 AM
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6. Does anyone know what gw's plan for Iraq was??? n/t
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:55 AM
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26. Any answers, yet?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:12 PM
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29. Do you know how to type web addresses in your web browser?
You could start at Barack Obama's web site. I know. Who would have thought of that?

Barack Obama's Plan

As a candidate for the United States Senate in 2002, Obama put his political career on the line to oppose going to war in Iraq, and warned of “an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs, and undetermined consequences.” Obama has been a consistent, principled and vocal opponent of the war in Iraq.

* In 2003 and 2004, he spoke out against the war on the campaign trail;
* In 2005, he called for a phased withdrawal of our troops;
* In 2006, he called for a timetable to remove our troops, a political solution within Iraq, and aggressive diplomacy with all of Iraq’s neighbors;
* In January 2007, he introduced legislation in the Senate to remove all of our combat troops from Iraq by March 2008.
* In September 2007, he laid out a detailed plan for how he will end the war as president.

Bringing Our Troops Home

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile

The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance. The United Nations will play a central role in this convention, which should not adjourn until a new national accord is reached addressing tough questions like federalism and oil revenue-sharing.
Regional Diplomacy

Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction.
Humanitarian Initiative

Obama believes that America has a moral and security responsibility to confront Iraq’s humanitarian crisis — two million Iraqis are refugees; two million more are displaced inside their own country. Obama will form an international working group to address this crisis. He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven.
Barack Obama's Record

* Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning. In 2002, as the conventional thinking in Washington lined up for war, Obama had the judgment and courage to speak out against the war. He said the war would lead to "an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs and undetermined consequences." In January 2007, Obama introduced legislation to responsibly end the war in Iraq, with a phased withdrawal of troops engaged in combat operations.

* Obama has a plan to immediately begin withdrawing our troops engaged in combat operations at a pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of next year. He would call for a new constitutional convention in Iraq, convened with the United Nations, which would not adjourn until Iraq's leaders reach a new accord on reconciliation. He would use presidential leadership to surge our diplomacy with all of the nations of the region on behalf of a new regional security compact. And he would take immediate steps to confront the ongoing humanitarian disaster in Iraq.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/


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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:00 PM
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31. Obama would continue special ops anti-terrorism indefinitely
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 01:05 PM by unc70
He apparently distinguishes between combat and special ops/forces.

Clinton said she saw continuing combat and special forces.

Edwards said he would stop all combat operations and remove (almost) all troops within a year, save the embassy guards.

Richardson said he would remove all troops, but he doesn't count those Marines as troops.

So it appears to be just a matter of definitions.

BTW this was in a debate with Russert, maybe in Philadelphia. I will try to find a more-detailed post I made at the time.

P.S. on edit: While Obama's plan to withdraw troops will be completed in a year, he does not commit to withdrawing ALL troops. This is the problem I have with him and with Clinton -- misleading by clever phrasing and omissions.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:15 PM
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30. do your own research...google is an amazing invention i tell you
or was that just rhetorical shit?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:52 PM
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32. Actually, it served 2 purposes....
1. To see if any of you actually knew off ther top of your head, and SURPRISE, only one person did.
2. To see if what he says now, matches what he said 2 years ago. It's simmilar, but not the same. I guess he's changed his mind just a bit.

Thanks for contributing to this research.
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