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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:12 PM Original message |
Obama in favor of voting for Senate bill 1959. |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. Not many. nt |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. never heard of it.....do you have a link with this info... |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I think this might help -- |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Here is the link to the bill. the senate version is S.1959 |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Passed the House: 404 - 6 |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Kucinich was one of the nays |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. Thank you. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
48. So... what? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Read this part again: |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Try it this way: |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I disagree. I see this as a stepping stone... |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Eh. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. I don't paint "Bushco" as a boogeyman. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. LOL, or President Edwards? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. There are huge differences in some areas... |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Deal |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I didn't say you were an idiot, did I? |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Uh-huh |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Fanning the flames? That's fucking reality. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Oh, please feel free |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. Why does that surprise you? Obama doesn't represent his constituents. n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Obama has not said he supported it. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Call his office, Cali, before you go around calling me a liar. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
37. Frankly, it doesn't surprise me. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
4. Is this the bill |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. how naive... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Yes or no? |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. CRS Summary: |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Two reports actually. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:39 PM Original message |
Yep, looks like. nt |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
50. dupe. nt |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
5. If Lieberman is involved it has to be bad. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
7. wrong. Obama has not said he will support it or that he's in favor of it |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Call his office. I made the effort to do so. I suggest you do the same. |
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chascarrillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
10. Link please. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
16. First I've heard of it. Thanks for posting |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
18. Good for Obama. There is a reason it passed 404-6 in the House |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. My mistake I thought it was HR1955 |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. There is nothing unconstitutional about trying to reduce terrorism. Read what it does in post 17 |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. *bangs head* |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. You haven't been around very long. Just what the hell do you think |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
76. All this does is |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
23. So, how does it circumvent our civil liberties? This should be fun. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. What is wrong with using criminal laws that already exist? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. What "new laws" are being set up? Be specific. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. The law is always updated to reflect a changing world |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. This bill doesn't even go that far. It only establishes a commission to look at how well |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I know. I was just answering the general question |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Ah, okay. Agreed, then. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
75. It will do a lot more than that. But then, I guess if you trust your govt., |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. What's wrong with a study to find out if there is a better approach? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. The slippery slope |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I agree with blocking expansion of power. This is not expanding anyone's power. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. No, but it does train "Homeland Security officials" in how to deal with |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. Id like an answer to this as well. nt |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:50 AM Response to Original message |
35. That seals it for me. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
36. A good example of why it's difficult for a Senator to run for President. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
38. He does not support it |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I suggest you call his office. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
41. Would street gangs and organized crime groups qualify as “Homegrown Terrorist” under S 1959? |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Possibly. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. Even DU might qualify! n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Worse! Environmental activists, peace activists, etc. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
43. All the support it got in the House means nothing to me. Most don't bother reading bills.. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Exactly. and as you alluded to, Dems have been beaten up when |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Kucinich wasn't fooled. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. No, he wasn't, and that's just one more of many reasons why I |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
46. not many progressives know much about what Obama supports |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
51. Who cares? |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I've seen this movie before. Oh, and we should all care. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. That would be a concern. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Panic? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. It does not "just set up a commission to study an issue". |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Because that's what the bill says |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
77. "This is a total non-issue" - - uh, no. |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
62. This is one of the reasons why Kucinich's endorsement of Obama lost Kucinich my support |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Kucinich is the only candidate to speak out against it. |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
65. This bill will likely pass |
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